[14] On the face of it, therefore, the material so far considered proves no more than that Harts Consulting was the owner, both legal and beneficial, of the issued share capital in Lammey Management. As indicating the contrary, Mr Hanson QC for the prosecution relied on the evidence of Mr Phillip Lammey, one of the trustees of the Lammey Family Trust, who testified at the trial. He recounted the advice, or some of it, received from the appellant concerning the setting up of Lammey Management and the proposal and procedures adopted to transfer to it the staff hitherto employed by Lammey Bros Pty Ltd. The only part of his evidence that bears directly on the issue of beneficial ownership of the shares in Lammey Management was his statement in response to the question put to him in chief, when he was asked "who owned that company, to your knowledge?". His answer was "Well, my brother and I thought we owned it, but that wasn't the case". His discovery that they did not own that company was, he said, made "basically when we got this bill from the tax department and Steve made the statement that it was his company not ours", which was in 1999. He was referring to the Commissioner's later reassessment of income tax. He went on to say that he did not remember signing any documents in June 1996, but that he knew he had done so "for this whole process"; and that he knew he had signed share transfer forms in favour of the appellant or his company "because I have seen a copy of it". He may there have been referring to the notice of allotment. He would not, he said, have gone ahead and set up "this structure if he had known Mr Hart or his company was going to be the owner of Lammey Management.