I should mention, seeing it is, I suppose, technically raised on the evidence that self defence was also claimed on the basis that he was protecting himself and the women. I should say to you that if you find that the Crown had not excluded self defence beyond reasonable doubt in respect of the accused's assistance to Malcolm, then he would be entitled to be acquitted on that basis. It would therefore be unnecessary to go on to consider whether he was entitled to the benefit of any defence in respect of himself, or the women, but if you do find that the Crown has excluded, beyond reasonable doubt, self defence in relation to assistance to Malcolm, at least in principle you should exclude - consider the exclusion of the defence in respect of himself and the women. It is, of course, a matter for you, but you may well think that the claims of self defence on those bases are not as strong as they were in respect of the incident in respect of Malcolm. There was no assault actually being committed on the accused or the women at the time of the stabbing, and you might well think in that situation that it would be impossible that that complies with the requirement of the defence because one of the prerequisites is that the nature of the assault is such as to cause reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm. There was actually no assault being committed on himself or the women at the time and therefore the argument would be there was no basis for the accused to apprehend death or grievous bodily harm from any assault being committed against him at that time and against the women. There was no assault against them and no basis, you may well think, for the accused to apprehend death of grievous bodily harm or to apprehend an assault being committed on them which would be necessary to claim the benefit of self defence as a person aiding them.