13 I am not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that what Mr King gave evidence you told him was actually said by you in the terms that he described. There are several reasons for this. First, whatever you said to him was not of sufficient interest or seriousness to warrant Mr King telling his wife about it when he saw her shortly after this conversation. Although he said he did tell her, his wife, Mrs Mary King, has no memory of any disturbing aspect of anything you reported. Second, after these offences were committed by you, Mr King was asked by the police to secretly tape record conversations with you which he agreed to do. The clear purpose of that exercise was to obtain information and evidence and, if this conversation had occurred in the way Mr King described it, having agreed to assist the police it would have been central to his efforts. However in the course of two conversations between King and you in September and October 2005, he failed to put this version of the conversation at the fish shop to you as something that had occurred and about which he was worried. Third, having given different versions of the conversations, Mr King first formulated a written statement which contained this extreme version of the conversation some three months after you murdered your three children. Fourth, having observed Mr King giving his evidence, although I did not come to the conclusion that he was in any way deliberately dishonest in the evidence he gave, I did not consider him to be particularly reliable given the trauma he suffered. I am sure he now honestly believes the conversation occurred as he described it but I am not satisfied to the requisite standard that it did.