Raechel [the deceased] had been talking to me about something that had allegedly happened out at this house at Doncaster and some other locale as well. I'm not sure what it was. In relation to [TJ] and [PJ], two young girls who were in her [the deceased's] care. (Emphasis added).
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... That they'd been drugged and raped and or whatever. At this address, something terrible had happened and then they had to move to one other address. Rachel had been aware for some time that - I'd been the victim - had been the victim of abuse and at that time, I didn't think a, you know, great deal of it. I sort of believed what she was saying ... And Rachel wrote out a list which I showed you over at my house of ah three names. Two of them I don't really understand the connection of what she was trying to say 'cos she was getting' a bit emotional but one of them she did say was [TJ]'s neighbour who'd been stalking her and had cameras, more or less, and they had nude photos of her and there was stuff appearing on the internet and what have you and she borrowed my camera and she said she was going to show me something with it. And she came back a day or two later I suppose, and showed me these pictures and two of them really did look like [TJ]. They were pretty graphic in nature. I couldn't really look too much at it because of my own feelings towards it. I'm just sort of like 'Okay, what's this about ?' and then she's - she put to me that she wanted these fellows dead, but specifically the neighbour ... I made a plan to - said, ... 'Well, if we're goin' to do this, can we need to sit down, I need to know all about these fellows'. I said , 'Well, I imagine you need to know a fair bit too'. 'We'll go down, we'll sit down, we'll talk. We'll need to sort this right out'. It was arranged for - I told her that we had some - - - and that I'd thought of somewhere to go- It was to Nicky's at Phillip Island and just talk, plan, put everything together, you know.
...we went to Phillip Island or proceeded to Phillip Island and- and I've only just remembered now, we actually stopped at a garage. I think it's a BP. It was somewhere near the Coronet Bay turn off, I think it is. I'm not sure, somewhere down on that road. I'm - I'm not sure if it's still the Bass - - - Bass Highway or whatever they call it. And we got a coffee and something to eat. We sat out the front and ate that, had the coffee.
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... We arrived at Nicky's place just to prop and talk. I don't know, maybe three quarters of an hour later or something like - I'm not very good on the times.
... so would've got there about 45 minutes later, I suppose, and we went in and I made the introductions. Coffee. Couple of cups of coffee, we listened to the music and I think I said to Nicky, 'Look, I just need some time and we need to be away from Melbourne. We need time to have a bit of a chat and sit down and plan it and what have you'.
...And I did and as I say, we had coffee, listened to a bit of music, the whole lot. So, I decided it was time for a bit of a lay down. I went in to see if she was okay. I was propped on the couch and she - she went and slept - - - lay down on the bed in Nicky's spare bedroom and I sat up for a bit longer and went in to see if she was alright and she was awake and she was - and we started talking and I just laid down beside her and - well, she said, 'Come and lay down beside me.' So I said, 'Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright'.
And I had my - sort of had my arm stret-, she lifted her head so I could get - get my arm and everything underneath and get comfortable and we were talking about, you know, bits and pieces that have happened and she said a couple of little ---- and she ---- and it's almost like little Tourette's, like, little Tourette's like, fuckin' things that just didn't fit and she referred to - I - said, 'Are you sure this is the fuckin' path you want to take because this is - its' really - really - you've got no idea what you're asking here'. And sort of the first time, she raised me, she said, 'Oh no, .... .... ....' You know, 'You wouldn't have liked to have done that to the blokes that got...' 'Yeah, absolutely'. I said, 'As long as you're fuckin' sure'. And you know, and it was like just - what? It was - it's not like she yelled it out or anything like that. It was - it was - again like, it was just so out of place. It was so unexpected and just turned around and she said, 'You shouldn't worry too much about that', and she said 'The main thing is that we - we get to this ....' And I said, 'Well, fuck it',' you know, 'look, it's not just something that you get over', you know, 'you get over all this sort of shit'. Fuckin' - and then she started sort of- not taunting, not tormenting, just - 'Yeah, well, it happened to you'. You know, 'but you're alright now, you're - you're - you're fuckin' -' and I said, What's fuckin' goin' on now? Did you have somethin' to do with this? ' Right. 'Is - is there more than to this than you're fuckin' tellin' me?' Said - she said, 'A girl's got to - got to' you know, 'get some money to pay - girl's got to pay her bills', or something and I - I just - 'Did you do - did you let this happen to them?' and she just fuckin' laughed and I just brought my arm up around her - under her chin. She - she thought I was fuckin' proud of her. I - she lifted her chin, like she wanted a cuddle and then I - I straddled her at that, put a fuckin' sleeper hold on her and I just fuckin' hung on. I was so fuckin' angry. How could you fuckin' cuddle that. So fuckin, angry. Sorry. I - I realised - I don't know how long I hung on to her for but it was like fuck .... I checked for a pulse. When I went to move her over, she's lost control of her bladder. I don't know how long we sat there .... ..... possibly panicked or - but I was so fuckin' angry, I couldn't believe it. (Emphasis added).