"51 It is true, as the respondent argued, that the words 'with or in the presence of' comprehend a broader range of offending than would be contemplated if the relevant offence was simply described as 'an indecent act with ...'. But that is because of the addition of the words 'in the presence of'. In this State, s.69(1) Crimes Act 1958 had, as long ago as 1958, made it an offence for 'any male person ... in public or private' to commit 'any act of gross indecency with or in the presence of any girl under the age of 16 years'. However, it had never been suggested that the word 'with' was to be interpreted as extending to indecent acts beyond the presence of the person offended against or, in particular, that it could extend to the use of indecent language over the telephone. Rather, the word 'with' was confined to participating conduct. The same view was taken by the Court of Criminal Appeal (NSW) in R. v. Page in respect of the offence then described by s.81A of the Crimes Act (NSW), namely 'Whosoever, being a male person commits ... an act of indecency with another male person'. Again, in R. v. Orsos, the Court of Criminal Appeal (NSW) considered the meaning of the words 'with or towards' in the offence described by s.61N of the Crimes Act (NSW). Grove, J. with whom Priestley, J.A. concurred, said: 'To commit an act of indecency "with" a person involves two participants whereas logically and grammatically one person may commit an act of indecency "towards" another.' 52. In Crampton v. R., the High Court agreed with the view taken by the Court of Criminal Appeal (NSW) of s.81A of the Crimes Act (NSW) that an act of indecency 'with' another person required for its proof 'consensual participating acts, or, acts done in concert'. Although it is true that s.47 of the Crimes Act (Vic.) contemplates an offence without consent or concert, it seems to me that the word 'with', used in juxtaposition with the words 'in the presence of', must imply actual physical contact with the victim. Kirby, J. expressed the view that any ambiguity which attended the word 'with' had been removed in other jurisdictions by combining it with the words 'in the presence of'. He referred, in this regard, to s.47 of the Crimes Act (Vic.)." (Footnotes omitted, emphasis added.)"