Exclusion because of unfair prejudice.
20 The real issue was the exclusion of the conversation under s 135 or s 137 of the Evidence Act 1995. Since the evidence was not misleading or confusing (s 135(b)) and would not result in an undue waste of time (s 135(c)), the real question concerns unfair prejudice. Should the evidence be excluded, as a matter of discretion, under s 135(a), or must it be excluded under s 137 because its probative value is outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice to the accused?
21 Before dealing with counsels' submissions, I should briefly refer to what was said in the conversation. When Ben Clark was interviewed by the police on 12 July 2005, he was asked whether he had ever fired a gun. He acknowledged that he had. He described an episode when he was about ten years old. His family was in Adelaide visiting his father's relatives. His father and uncle took him to a commercial indoor shooting gallery. He fired a handgun and found the experience frightening, much to the amusement of the owner of the gallery. On the day following the interview, in the conversation the subject of objection, the accused asked Ben Clark about his police interrogation. Their conversation included the following: (Exhibit E on the Voir Dire: p2, the initials referring, respectively, to Michael, Ben and Jennifer Clark.)
"MC Did they ask, have they asked you have you ever shot a gun?
BC Yeah.
MC What did you say?
BC Um, years ago when I was about ten or something over in Adelaide.
JC Oh fuck.
BC At a firing range.
JC Oh fuck.
MC Oh no. Fuck Ben.
BC What?
JC Oh, we're done.
BC What?
MC Fuckin' mate, that involved Robert that involved Hells Angels, it involves everyone. Fuck mate.
BC I didn't know that.
MC Oh no. That's why they're comin' back mate. That's why they're comin' back at ya."
22 In the conversation that followed, the accused expressed concern for himself. He said this: (p4)
"MC How many kids that are ten years old get to go to a firing range and fire guns Ben? That means I'm involved in that. Fuck. (BREAK IN RECORDING) It's disappointing, fuckin' come and sit down."
23 Shortly after the accused said this: (p5)
"MC They're gunna pin it on me. Guaranteed.
BC How can they?
MC Well, they will mate. There's too much fuckin', too much loose evidence now.
BC But you couldn't have because youse were all out that night.
MC Yeah, but that means they're gunna say that I paid someone to fuckin' do it Ben."
24 Immediately after this conversation, the accused said this: (p5/6)
"BC Oh.
MC They're gunna say it and we're gonna lose everything mate. That's what they're gunna bring up in court. Because it fits me, it fits me to a situation where I've had past things see all they needed, right, was a situation where they could say, 'Yes well you've had experience in guns before.' See? I had one experience in guns prior to, prior to fuckin' them knowing that, that was my offence.
BC Mmm Mmm.
MC And I was a stupid kid when I did that offence."
(emphasis added)
25 I will return to the words in bold. In the version of the conversation which the Crown proposes to put before the jury, the words in bold will be excluded. However, they remain relevant to one aspect of the submissions by the accused on unfair prejudice, which I will return to shortly.
26 The transcript of the conversation continued: (p6)
"MC What did you fire, what type of gun?
BC A handgun.
MC Oh. Fuck."
27 Shortly after these words, the accused added: (p7)
"MC Who knows? See? … anyone that has been, I mean how do, how do they know it was a handgun? See, what, that's what I mean. Of fuck. (BREAK IN RECORDING) I'll be the next one they drag in."
28 The conversation continued: (p8/9)
"MC … and the direction they were heading can't you, can't you figure out what they're trying to do?
BC Well, tryin' to find someone to put it on.
MC Well, and which way are they directing it now?
BC Us. So for me at the moment, because of my story.
MC I don't think they're tryin' to direct it onto you Ben. I think they're tryin' to get to me.
BC Oh.
MC I think they think that I wasn't where I've said I was.
BC Well, you've got three people witnessing.
MC They're family mate.
JC Simon's not.
MC Yeah."
29 The accused then returned to the implication of any involvement on his part, he being a beneficiary under his father's Will: (p9)
"MC You know even if they suspect me ---
BC Mmm Mmm.
MC --- I can't even go ahead with the will or anything, you know if, if, if they fuckin suspect, suspect.
BC Mmm Mmm.
MC I lose all rights, all fuckin' everything. Fuck."
30 In the conversation that followed, there are a number of references to the Hell's Angels and Rob, including the following: (p18)
"MC Well mate, I can't bring him into it in any way, shape or form. Any way. Mate, if he comes into it that means the Hell's Angels come into it. You know, that's, you know, and, and then I'm fucked anyway. Every, everyone basically. They'll move in an fuckin' you know, (VOCALLY DEMONSTRATES). You know. (LAUGHS) 'Cause you don't, just, just don't give people up, it's as simple as that."
31 Counsel for the accused identified a number of aspects which he suggested gave rise to unfair prejudice. First, taking a ten year old child to a shooting gallery was discreditable and should be excluded. Indeed, it should also be excluded from Ben's interview. However, many children under the supervision of adults, and especially in the country, have been to a shooting gallery and fired a gun at fairgrounds and otherwise. I believe the prejudice, if any, is so mild as to be swamped by the probative value of this material (cf accused's ERISP 19.7.05 p39 Q396-414).
32 Secondly, it was submitted that one did not need to guess at the prejudice which would flow from the admission of this material. The present trial is a retrial. The conversation was admitted in the previous trial without objection. Michael Clark gave evidence and was cross examined upon it. It was suggested that his reaction was such a gross over-reaction that it betrayed that he knew much more than he was letting on. Michael Clark, in these circumstances, had been obliged to explain his reaction and concern. In the process, he was forced to reveal discreditable material about himself which was highly prejudicial. This was the unfair prejudice. The person "Rob" was a good friend, Robert Attenborough. Robert Attenborough was a person to whom he had been introduced by his brother, Andrew. He had a hydroponic business in Adelaide and secretly supplied hydroponic equipment to members of the Hell's Angels motor cycle club for use in the cultivation of drugs. One assumes that he had been charged and convicted for having done so, which was known to Mr Clark, who nonetheless maintained his friendship with him (Transcript previous trial pp831-834). It was not proposed that Robert Attenborough would be called in the Crown case.
33 No doubt some prejudice attaches to the disclosure of an association with Mr Attenborough and Hells' Angels. Hells' Angels is notoriously an organisation involved in drug distribution and crime. However, it is not suggested that Michael Clark was a member of the Hell's Angels gang, or was associated with Mr Attenborough's crime. Rather, Michael Clark knew someone in another state who, at some point, had done business with the Hell's Angels to his discredit, committing a crime. I believe the conversation has significant probative value in respect of the various issues identified, which is not outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice to the accused.
34 The third submission related, amongst other things, to the passage set out above in bold which, for convenience, I repeat: (p5/6)
"BC Oh.
MC They're gunna say it and we're gonna lose everything mate. That's what they're gunna bring up in court. Because it fits me, it fits me to a situation where I've had past things see all they needed, right, was a situation where they could say, 'Yes well you've had experience in guns before.' See? I had one experience in guns prior to, prior to fuckin' them knowing that, that was my offence.
BC Mmm Mmm.
MC And I was a stupid kid when I did that offence."
(emphasis added)
35 Counsel for Michael Clark drew attention to the accused's significant criminal record. He had been convicted of armed robbery, shooting to avoid apprehension and various drug offences. His criminal record explained his reference to "past things". His state of mind and his reaction to Ben's account of his interview with the police therefore involved, according to counsel, a separate matter of concern (additional to the Hell's Angels and Robert Attenborough), namely, his own past which he dare not reveal to the jury. The unfair prejudice to him therefore, arising from the admission of this material, is that in explaining his reaction, and answering the suggestion that it was an over-reaction, he is only able to give part of the explanation.
36 Dealing with that argument, a number of things should be said. First, when cross examined in the previous trial, Michael Clark limited his explanation to the aspect concerning the Hell's Angels and the discreditable past of his friend, Robert Attenborough. Obviously that is not determinative because he may have confined himself to that aspect precisely because it was prejudicial to mention his criminal record in front of the jury. Secondly, and more to the point, the conversation the subject of objection began with these words: (Exhibit E on the Voir Dire - p1)
"MC They can't, they got nothing to prove anything.
JC Oh.
MC So all they're doing is fishing at the moment.
BC Yeah. Just lookin' for ---
MC (TELEVISION IN BACKGROUND) 'cause they're obviously, my, my history ---
BC Yeah.
MC --- they're trying to say, Well fuck me. I could have quite easily fuckin' you know?
BC Yeah."
37 The reference to "my history", one would infer, was a reference to the accused's assumption that the police would be well aware of his criminal record. The jury, of course, will not be aware of that record, so that the passage is anodyne. The accused's concern is not that the revelation by Ben will cause the police to uncover his own past. It is that Ben's account to the police may expose Ben to the charge of murder. The comments immediately following the reference to the Hells' Angels and Robert (Attenborough) are instructive. The conversation was in these terms: (Exhibit E on the Voir Dire - p2/3)
"MC Fuckin' mate, that involved Robert that involved Hells Angels, it involves everyone. Fuck mate.
BC I didn't know thast.
MC Oh no. That's why they're comin' back mate. That's why they're comin' back at ya.
BC No, I told them that last night.
MC Oh fuck.
BC Well, I didn't know, I ---
JC What were you thinking?
MC Well mate why would you say you've ever fired a gun if, if you, it's, it's a fuckin', it's a murder mate."
(emphasis added)
38 On the Crown case, Ben was the insulation that the accused required from the accusation of murder. If there was no proof against Ben then, because of his alibi and his presence in Richmond (corroborated by mobile phone records), there could be no involvement of the accused. If, on the other hand, there was proof against Ben, then the accused recognised that he may be vulnerable, notwithstanding his alibi. It may be alleged that he and Ben were acting in concert. It is not unreasonable to suppose, in these circumstances, that in his own mind his vulnerability was the greater because of his criminal record and that may explain, in part, his reaction.
39 Assuming that the accused gives evidence (as has been foreshadowed), and the Crown asks the same question concerning his reaction to Ben's account of the interview, the issue is whether, in giving one aspect of the explanation (concerning Robert Attenborough and the Hells' Angels), his explanation is emasculated to the point that there is unfair prejudice?
40 I accept that there is some unfair prejudice to Michael Clark in being obliged to leave out one aspect of his state of mind when called upon to explain that state of mind. However, I also believe that his main preoccupation was with the vulnerability of Ben, such that he was only indirectly preoccupied with himself. Balancing the probative value of this material against the danger of unfair prejudice to the accused, I believe the conversation should be admitted. To my mind, its probative value significantly outweighs the danger of unfair prejudice to Mr Clark. In making that judgment, I am assuming the significant deletions foreshadowed by the Crown (as set out in Exhibit E on the Voir Dire), where references to Michael Clark's criminal history have been removed.
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