I want to turn now to Mr Rankin. He produced the Shire file, and I'd urge you to have a look at that file, and I'll tell you why shortly. In relation to that file you can see maps in relation to land to be harvested with a permit. You can also see the permit, the conditions of the permit. And you'll see on the back of the permit that it says it's only for two years, and I don't think there is any issue about that, but what Mick Caldwell said is "Well, the copy I had didn't have that back part on it and I thought it was an open ended permit". You will see that there was an extension of the permit sought which was refused. And look at the correspondence, the Crown says, and I'll take you through it, between Schmidt and the Shire and the letter from Schmidt to Caldwell, Mick Caldwell. Clearly Schmidt at some stage was requesting a return of the deposit, because he's required to clean up, for want of a better word, and Schmidt was wanting Caldwell to return to clean up what they had already done pursuant to the permit in 1992-1994. Now I'm going to give you some dates, and I'm not going to put these document up because I don't think there is any purpose in that, but I'll just give you a brief chronology of what the file reveals. On 8 April 1994 George Schmidt writes to the council and says that the logs are not completely finished and he seeks an extension because of winter, he can't log in winter, wet weather, can't do it, right? On 17 June, so a couple of months later, this is '94, so this is towards - well - that's just outside the two year period, do you follow because it's in August '92? The council outline observations in relation to breaches of the code of practice, the Forest Code of Practice that Mr Gatt went through, so test out the problems associated with the works. On 5 September, so three months after that, Schmidt writes saying that he hoped the trees could be completed and refers to about half a dozen trees remaining to be cleared, so six trees, half a dozen, and he seeks half refund of bond money. It is pretty clear that there is a duty to clean up or conform with the requirements of the conditions of the permit, and that when you take out a permit you have to put some bond money up, so that if you don't do it they'll take the money off you, that's the way councils work, I guess. So this was put up as some sort of security. In November 1994 the council writes saying "We're not going to refund you that back until there is rehabilitation completed". In January 1995 George Schmidt writes to Mick Caldwell and he talks about, in the letter, about getting trees finished and restoration done, the trees being the six outstanding. That's exhibit M4, that's the exhibit I referred to earlier. He says that the Shire had threatened to use the bond money to restore the land to get it back to where it should be, and he says "I'll call or meet you to discuss this". If you then go to October 1997. Gordon Schmidt writes to the Shire, a letter, and says "Look, the land's now rehabilitated and I want the return of the deposit". On 11 June 1999 the refund is given. About two years later on 16 July 2001 which is part of M5, Gordon writes another letter to the Shire. It's a three point letter and he is enquiring about whether he can harvest 20 metres from the stream, from the river and wants to know if he can harvest between November and March. ... On 3 October 2001 there was an application for a permit signed by George Schmidt written by Gordon to selectively log, that's exhibit 23. On 10 December 2001 the Shire responds to that letter and it is exhibit 29, and says "You can't proceed because there is insufficient information, you haven't provided enough detail. Site plans." Etcetera. I won't go into all the detail about that but that's the correspondence. On 21 September so that then we jump from December 2001 to September 03 Gordon Schmidt writes and explains he's trying to get a permit since 2001, because he hasn't heard anything so he writes to the council and says "Well, what's happening about the permit?" Now the Crown says that that shows that from 1992 to 1994 that the works had been completed pursuant to the permit with the exception of rehabilitation and the removal of half a dozen or so trees. By 1999 the refund is given, so the works, the Crown says, are completed by this stage. By 2001 there's an application by the Schmidts for further permit, and this one's used until 2003 and that's refused. What conclusions do you draw from this? The Crown says the Schmidts were attempting to comply with permit conditions and requirements as required by the Shire. The works are completed and there is no permit in existence after 1994, and a further application for a permit is refused. What the Crown says that if the Schmidts are applying for a permit, then why would they give the Caldwell's permission to harvest? It would be premature, the Crown would say, to do so, to give permission when no permit had been granted. It doesn't make sense. It's like, for instance, you don't get a builder to build your house before you get the plans approved for the permit to build it. So you don't give Mr Caldwell permission to log your land if you're making an application for a permit to do so, do you follow? It doesn't make sense. I want to come back to that Rankin file later in relation to another point.