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[1998] VSC 219
Supreme Court of Victoria
1998-08-20
VINCENT, J.
Original judgment source is linked above.
"Okay and did Lauren get out of the car by herself?" "Yeah." "You didn't help her get out of the car?" "No." "Or force her to get out of the car?" "No." "Okay. She gets out of the car, what happens?" "And then she started removing her clothes and I started removing mine." "All right, she started removing her clothes?" "M'mm." "Why did she do that?" I dunno. I think I might have told her to take her clothes off."
"Okay. And you have the knife in your hand at this stage?" "No, I left that on the floor of the car." "You left it on the floor of the car?" "Yeah." "Okay, did you tell her to take her clothes off?" "I am not sure whether I - I can't quite recall if I did or if I didn't." "Okay." "I - I'd probably say I did but I just can't recall." "All right. Now, I'll just get this in perspective. This is a young girl, she has seen you with a knife and you are telling her to take her clothes off?" "M'mm" "Is that right?" "Yeah, but I never had the knife on me when she hopped out." "No, no, but I am saying you had the knife earlier" "Yeah." "I understand that you've left it in the car?" "Yeah." "Okay. You tell her to take her clothes off?" "M'mm." "What clothes did she take off?" "She took her pants and knickers off." "Okay. What does Lauren have covering the top half of her body?" "I am not quite sure. Not sure. But I know Nichole had a light shirt on and the jacket." "What sort of jacket?" "I think it was a blue school jacket." "Okay. What - what school?" "Bega, Bega High." "A Bega High school jacket?" "Yeah." "Was your penis enlarged?" "Yeah." "Okay, what happens then?" "And then we just started having sex." "And then you started having sex?" "Yeah." "Okay. Now, do you think that she was consenting to have sex with you of her own free will?" "I'd say, I'd say no cause of the knives and the way Les put it across earlier that night." "Okay." "So you understand by that you were raping - - -?" "Yeah." "This girl?" "Yeah." "Okay. How long does the sex go on for with Lauren?" "About half an hour." "About half an hour?" "Yeah." "Okay. Did you ejaculate?" "Yep." "Where do you ejaculate?" "Inside her". "Okay, at any stage prior to or during sex does Lauren tell you that in fact she is menstruating? Do you know what that means?" "No." "She is having her period?" "Oh yeah, she did earlier." "She did earlier?" "Yeah, about, oh just before we were about to have sex."
"Again, the girls didn't have a choice about having sex. They would have been scared because of the knives and the threats."
"When we stopped the car Les and me got out of the car. I got Nichole out of the car and Les got Lauren out. I sat in the front passenger seat and got Nichole to kneel on the ground in front of me. I then made her suck my dick. Les got Lauren to crouch on the ground while he stood up. Les got her to suck him off. That is what it looked like to me. I got Nichole to suck me off for five to ten minutes but I couldn't get it up. While I was getting Nichole to suck me off I heard Les tell her to suck his dick properly. Les said 'don't let your teeth touch my dick.' When Les did this he would hit Lauren. I could hear the thumps as Les hit her in the head. About the time I stopped having Nichole suck me off, Les basically finished too. The girls would have been scared still and would have had no choice."
"As I drove along the Princes Highway towards Orbost Les was getting Lauren to suck him off. By this I mean he was getting Lauren to give him oral sex."
"He said he wanted to have another go at Lauren. By this I took it he wanted to try and have sex with Lauren. I saw a dirt track off to the left. At the start of the track was a green steel V shaped gate. The gate was open. I drove down the dirt road for 10 or 15 minutes. Where I stopped was a big log. It was a fallen tree. Les ripped the top off a Victoria Bitter slab box before he got out of the car and put the lid ... the slab box somewhere so I could know where to come back to. Les got Lauren out of the car and shut the door. I saw him leading her into the bush before I drove off. I drove further off the road."
Question: "Now, again, at this stage these girls have been threatened?" "M'mm." "How do you think they felt at this time?" "Shocked." "Frightened?" "Yeah." "Okay. So Les takes Lauren out of the car?" "M'mm." "Where does he go?" "He goes into the bush, he rips off a piece of cardboard off the slab - off the top of the slab and sticks it down somewhere where I could see it so I knew where to stop when I came back." "Okay. So you drive away?" "Yep."
"I stopped the car at the log with a bit of stubbie box on it. Les brought Lauren over to the car. Les put Lauren in the car through the back passenger door and then he got in. I noticed that Lauren had pants on like tights and she had Les' T-shirt on. It was a light grey colour with either green or blue writing. When Les came back to the car he didn't have his T-shirt on, he had nothing on his chest, he still had his Adidas pants on."
"I drove down the highway and just before Cann River Les woke up. He wanted to know where we were. I told him we were in Victoria heading to Orbost. Les cracked the shits and was abusing me. He was saying he wanted to go to Sydney. He kept saying 'the bridge'. I took this to mean he wanted to throw the girls off the bridge because he had spoken about this before. (reference to Rosamari Gandarias) There are some bridges on the way to Sydney on the Hume Highway which have great drops."
"Okay. What do you and Les talk about at the time?" "He just - as we were going up the track, he just kept saying to me, 'They can't go back.'" "Pardon?" "He just kept saying to me, 'They can't go back.'" "They can't go back?" "Yeah." "And what did you take that he meant by that?" "I knew what he was - what he was saying." "What was he saying?" "That they - they couldn't go back because we'd get caught." "So what did you - what did you think you had to do?" "Well, I didn't think that I had to do anything." "What did you think was going to happen?" "That they were gonna be killed."
"Yep. What do you do when you get out of the car?" "I got out of the car an Les hopped out of the car and - and - and then he told me to get the keys." "The keys to?" "To the boot." "Yes." "So I got the keys to the boot." "Okay. What happened then?" "And I opened it and he grand the rope and - and then he cut bits of - he cut about - he cut a length of rope about - about it was about that long." "About that long, so - - -?" "He cut a length of rope about that long." "Three foot long?" "Yeah. And - and then he tied Lauren's hand up." "He tied Lauren's hands up?" "Yep." "While she was in the car or while she - - -?" "No she was standing outside the car, I think." "Okay." "She was either sitting down on the back seat or - or she was standing outside the car." "Okay. How does he tie her hands up?" "They were bound like that. Like together like that." "So her hands were cupped together and they were bound?" "Yeah." "Did he tell her to cup her hands together?" "Yeah." "What were you doing while he was doing this?" "I was tying - - -." "You're pointing at Nichole?" "Nichole, yeah. I was tying Nichole's hands up." "How did you tie her hands up?" "Well, initially, they were already tied up." "Pardon?" "Initially they were already tied up because I tied 'em up. As we got there I tied 'em up."
"What did you tie - - -?" "But it wasn't with the rope." "What did you tie them with?" "It was a bit of cloth or something. I can't recall what it was but it was a bit of cloth or something like that." "Okay. And where was the cloth from?" "Out of the car."
"Okay. All right. So the girls' hands are tied?" "Yep." "You tied one of the girls, you tied Nichole's." "I tied Nichole's, yeah." "And Les ties Lauren's." "Yep." "What happens from there, what do you do?" "We just started going into the bush, taking them down to the river." "Well, does anyone have hold of the girls?" "Yeah." "Who?" "Had hold of the ropes." "Who did?" "Well, I had hold of that, I tied Nichole up with and - - -" "Okay." "And Les had hold of Lauren."
At some stage Beckett and Camilleri came to a small river or creek.
"Well, did you have to force them through the water or what was the situation?" "Nuh. We just walked through." "Just walked through?" "Yeah cause we walked there." "Okay. And what happened?" "And then we just kept walking up the - up the river." "How far did you walk up the river?" "A couple of hundred metres or something." "A couple of hundred metres or something?" "Yeah, something like that."
After taking the girls through the creek, Beckett says,
"Les said to me, 'Untie them so they can wash themselves out.' I untied Nichole. Lauren went in. She took her shoes and socks and pants and knickers off. Lauren walked into the creek but she didn't look like she wanted to. Les said 'Get yourself in there and wash yourself out.' Lauren kept saying this it was cold and she bad-mouthed Les. He got angry and said 'Get the fuck in there." Lauren was splashing some water on her fanny and Les said to her 'Get right in and make sure it is all out.' Lauren got right into the water. She was there for a couple of minutes and then she got out. One of Lauren's hands was still tied and Les was holding on to the rope. Lauren put her clothes back on. Nichole had been untied by me first and told to wash herself out. Nichole went straight into the water and she was told to kneel down in the water. Nichole was in the water for a couple of minutes and then she got out and got dressed. She had taken off her shoes and socks, pants and knickers. I thought they had put all their clothes back on. I tied Nichole's wrists up again, first with a cloth rag and then the rope. Les re-tied Lauren's wrists."
The girls were then led away by both men and placed face down on their stomachs. The girls were then further tied.
"So you are in control of what she does?" "Well, yeah. She couldn't run away." "Yep, okay." "Mm." "And what was the situation with Lauren?" "She was tied up with the six - six foot bit of rope or five - five foot bit of rope." "Tethered again?" "Yeah." "Do you know what I mean by tethered?" "No." "Like a horse and you lead a horse along by its lead?" "Yeah." "Yeah. Okay. Who was - who was leading or holding that rope - that piece of rope?" "Les was." "Les was?" "Yeah." "Okay. What happened then?" "Then we went down the river and tied them up then they were on their stomachs." "How did you tie them up. We will start with the one that you tied up. Who did you tie up, Nichole you said?" "Yep." "How did you do that?" "I just had her hands like that, combined together." "Yes." "And then when her hands were tied together she - like, she was still layin' down and I was just watching Les tie Lauren up." "Okay. So Les tied Lauren up. How did he do that?" "With the rest of the rope that was in the car." "How much rope was that?" "About 12 foot." "Okay. Did he - how was he carrying the rope?" "I don't know, I think he just had it in his hands." "What were you saying to the girls at this time?" "I didn't say anything to them." "What was Les saying?" "He just kept saying, 'We're just gonna to tie you up down here - - -." "What were the girls saying?" "Until, until we get away. She - she, I don't know which one, I think it might have been Nichole was saying 'You're not going to kill us, are ya?' And Les was - just kept saying 'No, we're just going to tie you up so we can get away.'" "Okay. Now, you've said he ties her up with the extra bit of rope?" "M'mm." "Can you describe to me exactly how he ties her up. How he re strains her?" "He ties her - ties her hands behind her back." "M'mm." "And - and he doubles it around the legs and they were scrunched right up and then from there it went to her head and he wrapped it around twice round her neck and then she was scrunched right up." "Have you heard of - ever heard anyone say hog tied. Have you heard of the description of people being tied before?" "I have heard of a hog tie." "And was it sort of like that?" "I don't know what it looks like." "Okay." "I have just heard of the name." "Okay. Could she - she move?" "Nuh."
"Do you know why did he choose two different spots to tie them both up?" "So - so 'cause he said to me - he said, 'When' - he said to me, 'When one's done the other won't hear the other one or see it.'" .
"Okay. What happens then? You have a conversation with Les I take it?" "Les said - Les said to me - he said - he said - he said 'Drown Lauren and - and then go - and drag Nichole' - or 'Kill Nichole. Go up and kill her and then drag her down into the water." "What did you do when he said that to you?" "I said to him, 'I don't wanna to do it' and then I said, 'Why don't you do one?' And he said, 'Just do it, otherwise I'll fuckin' kill you' and I freaked out." "Okay." "And I knew, sort of, when Les was saying, 'They can't - they can't go back because we' - because he was saying', 'We'll get caught.'" "Was that on your mind too?" "Yeah." "What were you thinking?" "I don't know." "Were you concerned about being caught for raping the girls?" "Yeah."
"Okay. All right. He tells you - to kill the girls. You were saying that he's - he's threatened you?" "Yep." "What happens then?" "And then I tied Nichole up and went down and - - -." "Were you speaking in front of the girls when you were talking about killing them?" "No, we were whispering." "Okay. What does Les do?" "He - when I went up the bank to check Nichole he came up the bank and told me - told me a second time what to do." "Okay. Now how far do you think Nichole was tied to the tree from where Lauren was lying on the bank?" "I don't know. About - probably 30 feet away." "Okay. Could they see each other?" "Nuh."
"And what did you decide to do?" "Because I didn't know if Les was watching. I didn't know where he was. So then I ended up putting Lauren's head in the water." "Okay. How did you do that?" "Just dragged her over to the water."
"I went over to Lauren and dragged her down to the water. I held her head under the water. She was struggling and she knocked me into the water. One of my knees, I think the left went into the water. This pissed me off a little bit and I opened my knife, it was in my left hand and I stabbed Lauren in the left side of the neck. I said in my interview that it was the right side of the neck with my right hand but I am been thinking since. It wasn't my right thumb which was cut but my left. After a couple of seconds after I stabbed her she stopped moving."
"After I stabbed Lauren, I ran up the bank to where I tied Nichole up. She must have heard what I had done to Lauren because when I got to her she said, 'you're going to kill me, aren't you.' I said 'shut up' and walked around to her left side and I cut her throat two or three times. This was across her throat. The knife was in my left hand. Nichole was sitting down when I cut her throat. After this she was thrashing around on the ground. She was trying to scream but nothing was coming out. I think I kicked her because she wouldn't keep still. And then I put my foot on to her to keep her still. This didn't work so I stabbed her in the throat. I aimed and stabbed at the hard thing in her neck. I pushed the knife all the way in but she still wouldn't keep still so I worked out where her heart would be and I stabbed her on the left side of the chest. She still didn't stop moving so I stabbed her in the front of the chest. I was aiming for her heart. I needed two hands to get the knife through her chest. She kept moving so I kicked her in the head a couple of times. She still kept moving but she was slowing down. I waited until she stopped moving which didn't take long."
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