Some of us are adamant on one version of events or we are undecided - not undecided, there are some of us that have made this decision on one Count and some of us have made - and it's very hard for us to sway either party as to our reasonings and all that sort of stuff. At the moment we are at a stalemate on one of the Counts, and I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel in either side coming to the other side, if that makes sense.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, what about the other Counts, are you - - -
FOREPERSON: We've progressed well.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, so there's one count that's - well, members of the jury I can say this to you, it's not an uncommon thing for juries to have differences of opinions and the usual advice is that there's no formula as to how to break it. The advice that the judges would traditionally say to the jury is look to each other's points of view, see if you can resolve it by discussion, but ultimately of course, you are all sworn to bring in a verdict according to your own views of the evidence and you should be open to persuasion but ultimately it's a matter of your own conscience as to what you decide.
You've got your own view and that's a view that you firmly hold, well that's a view you keep but on the other hand, it's not uncommon for juries to come in and say, look, well we are deadlocked, we can't make a decision one way or the other, what do we do and judges usually say, well, it's a two week trial and it's very expensive to run the trial, see what you can do by discussing the matter further and if you can't bring in a verdict, well, so be it. You can't be locked up forever in relation to that issue. The other thing I can say to you, members of the jury, at this time of the trial it would be open for you to bring in a majority of verdict of 11/one.
If that was the case, 11 of you had a verdict and there was one who had a different view, well then you could bring on a majority verdict on that basis, but it has got to be 11/one, nothing 10/two or 7/five or anything like that, it has got to be 11/one. I don't know whether that helps you but all I can say is continue with your discussions. Mr Foreman, if it becomes very obvious to you that further discussion is not going to resolve the issue, that's a situation that the court has often experienced - sometimes experienced.
It's not an uncommon thing for people to have different views on just about every aspect of life, I suppose, and the deadlock can't be broken, well then if you can let me know in relation to that I can take verdicts on some of the Counts maybe but not necessarily on that Count. Ideally, it's better to be able to resolve the issues by further discussion. But at some stage - you know, you can't be sitting in there for days on end but at this stage I'd be asking you to continue on with your deliberations. There's nothing else can assist you with or - - -
FOREPERSON: That was it, thank you.