Mr Poole's knowledge - saleable v mineable tonnes
603There is no evidence to suggest that Mr Poole knew that the 91 MT figure in the Submission was based on the coal mineable from the Whybrow seam alone (see [276] above)
604Mr Poole knew the Submission spoke of 91 MT but, as I have set out earlier (see [388] above), said that he understood that the reference to 91 MT in the Submission referred to "saleable tonnes" or to "91 million tonnes coal sold".
605As I have explained (see [329ff] above), DCM contemplated that mined coal would be the "beneficiated" or "washed" producing "washed" or "saleable" coal representing 75 per cent of the "raw" or "run of mine" coal extracted from the ground.
606If this was Mr Poole's state of mind, it would explain how he could reconcile the statement in the Submission that there was an in situ mineable resource of 125 MT with the various references to 91 MT (as 91 MT is very nearly 75 per cent of 125 MT). Mr Poole did not, in terms, say this was his process of reasoning but that is the necessary implication of his evidence.
607Mr Leopold recognised that implication and did not seek to challenge the proposition inherent in it; namely that Mr Poole saw no tension between the references in the Submission to 91 MT and 125 MT because he understood the figure 91 MT to refer to "saleable" (or "washed" or "beneficiated") coal.
608Rather, Mr Leopold suggested to Mr Poole and submitted that Mr Poole's evidence that he believed the references in the Submission to 91 MT were to saleable coal was knowingly dishonest.
609Thus Mr Leopold submitted:
"Mr Poole dishonestly tried to explain away the inconvenient truth that the modelling in the Submission had been based on a gross understatement of what he in fact believed that coal resource of the Tenement to be...At some point Mr Poole invented the proposition that he did not appreciate the dishonesty of what had occurred in the Submission because he believed that the figure of 91 MT was the figure for 'saleable' tonnes (i.e. after washing or 'beneficiation') rather than mineable tonnes."
610Chubb described Mr Poole's evidence in this regard "indefensible and dishonest".
611Again, this is an occasion where Mr Poole could not been mistaken. Either the position is as Chubb contends, namely that Mr Poole has "invented" a basis by which he reconciled the figures in the Submission, or his evidence was the truth.
612The basis for Chubb's submission was what it contended to be an internal contradiction in Mr Poole's evidence. Chubb drew attention to this evidence of Mr Poole:
Q. "There is nothing hard to understand about the size of the resource which was expected to be produced in production tonnes, being 91 million tonnes over the life of the mine, was there?
A. I understood that from that submission, yes."
613Chubb submitted that "despite that quite unambiguous answer", very shortly afterwards Mr Poole "decided to depart from it, even repeating the phrase 'production tonnes' in his diametrically opposed answer" in the following passage:
Q. "The intention that you agree you had, which was to squeeze such profit as you could out of these rights, subject to the need to have a training mine, was something that was not disclosed to the Government at any time during 2008, correct?
A. Firstly, I didn't agree at any stage that I recall to squeezing profit out of the mine. The second part of your question is I believe we did disclose in the March submission the profitability of the mine. If I recall, Mr Leopold, in year 5 we put $50 million worth of net profit in that submission, on page 28 if I recall.
Q. Based on an assumed tonnage production, tonnage of life of the mine of 91 million tonnes?
A. No.
Q. Wasn't that modelled on 91 million tonnes?
A. Not production tonnes. It was 91 million saleable tonnes.
Q. The washed coal was 75 per cent of revenue. It assumed a profit of $54 million in the 2008 year, correct?
A. It's not put in a model. It's the 91 million tonnes coal sold.
Q. You could only sell washed coal, couldn't you?
A. You said, Mr Leopold, and maybe check 91 million tonnes as washed at 75 per cent. My recollection of the submission is we sold 91 million tonne of coal.
Q. We are talking about projections, Mr Poole, do you understand that?
A. Yes, saleable tonnes 91 million tonnes.
Q. I am talking about what was sold, not what was projected, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. The production of 91 million tonnes, and washed tonnes 75 per cent of that number is around about 69 or 70 million tonnes?
A. That's not my recollection. My recollection is 91 million tonnes saleable." (emphasis added)
614This second passage of evidence was given only a minute or two after the first (only two pages of transcript separate the two passages).
615The question and answer in the first passage occurred in the context of a series of questions involving the proposition, put by Mr Leopold to Mr Poole, that there was "nothing hard to understand" about various (different) parts of and expressions in the Submission.
616When Mr Leopold then returned the subject of the 91 MT, and focused on the topic of "assumed tonnage production" Mr Poole proffered, spontaneously I thought, the response "[n]ot production tonnes. It was 91 million saleable tonnes".
617I do not gain the impression that Mr Poole was "deciding to depart" from, or seeking to correct or change earlier evidence.
618Mr Leopold returned to the topic two days later. Mr Poole repeatedly stated that he understood that the 91 MT referred to "saleable" coal.
619Ultimately Mr Poole gave this evidence:
"HIS HONOUR:
Q. What is being put is that if you thought the 91 million was saleable, not mineable, that shows that you, when you were reading these documents, didn't care whether what was being said was true or false; what do you say about that?
A. No, that's not true, your Honour.
MR LEOPOLD:
Q. The suggestion that you didn't understand in February 2008 that the 91 million tonnes was mineable, is a dishonest suggestion you are making to his Honour?
A. No.
Q. And you are making it to pretend that the 91 million tonnes figure came from a percentage of a higher mineable figure provided by Dr Palese?
A. Never in my thought process, Mr Leopold. I accepted the 91 million tonnes as put in front of me as saleable coal and my full recollection of my understanding at the time was that was the intention.
Q. You knew from discussions with Mr Ireland in late 2007 and early 2008 that the figure of 91 million tonnes was mineable and Whybrow seam only?
A. No."
620Mr Poole's attention was then directed to a passage in a draft of the Submission that, ultimately, was included in the Submission in which I have set out at [326] and [590] above. For convenience I will set that passage out here:
"The project comprises the mining of 91,000,000 tonnes of recoverable reserves that can be beneficiated very easily to produce soft and semi-soft marketable products."
621That passage makes clear that 91 MT is not the amount of
622"saleable" or "beneficiated" coal and that it is the 91 MT that is to be "beneficiated" to yield a lower amount of "saleable" coal (being some 75 per cent of the 91 MT: see [331] above).
623In relation to that passage Mr Poole gave this evidence in response to questions from me:
Q. "Do you agree that the author of that paragraph seems to have regarded the 91 million tonnes as the mineable, not the saleable figure, because he or she speaks of that figure being beneficiated?
A. Yes, I take that reading that, your Honour, yes.
Q. So that whoever wrote that seems to have thought that 90 [sic] million tonnes was mineable, not saleable?
A. That's how it reads.
Q. Assuming that the same person's written this whole document, that person seems to have started his or her calculations...from that starting point, namely that there was a total mineable amount of coal of 91 million odd tonnes?
A. It does look that way, yes, your Honour.
Q. I think what Mr Leopold is asking you is in those circumstances does it look as if whoever wrote this document had made a mistake and had confused mineable with saleable?
A. Your Honour, certainly my understanding was it was 91 million of saleable coal. Again, my understanding would be you would need to mine more coal than that due to the washed loss or unless we assumed zero to get it. So the answer would be yes, it would seem to me, reading those paragraphs, the 91 million tonnes...should be higher.
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Q. Can you recall by what process of reasoning you came to the conclusion it was saleable, is it because somebody said that to you?
A. Certainly. I'm sorry, your Honour. I accepted without question what was put in front of me by Mike [Chester] in that regard.
Q. But I think the proposition that's being put to you is that...this document which suggests that 91 million dollars [sic] is not the saleable figure but is the mineable figure?
MR LEOPOLD: Tonnes.
A. Certainly, your Honour, and clearly I didn't pick up the distinction between the two."
624A short time later, in answer to a question from Mr Leopold Mr Poole gave this evidence:
Q. "The figure of 91 million tonnes as a production figure, do you now agree, had no proper basis in 2008?
A. Yes, I think I agree with that because it had to be higher than the 91 saleable, yes."
625Later, I asked Mr Poole about the same passage, as reproduced in the Submission itself. Mr Poole gave this evidence in response to questions from me:
Q. "It makes it quite clear that's mineable not saleable?
A. 91 million tonnes?
Q. Yes.
A. It does, your Honour.
Q. Had you seen that, it would have been clear to you, would it not, that the 91 million was mineable (or recoverable) and not saleable (or marketable)?
A. It's not - I don't recall having picked up on that point, you Honour.
Q. Doesn't that suggest the author of the document was endeavouring to make the distinction even clearer on this page that had been made on the corresponding page in the second draft of the Submission, the words 'recoverable' and 'marketable' have been added?
A. Gee, I don't know, your Honour. I have no recollection of that...".
626Mr Leopold submitted:
"The mineable versus saleable issue was critical and, as his demeanour showed when giving evidence on that topic, he knew it. His demeanour noticeably altered when your Honour exposed the lie. This was a crucial example of the dishonesty of Mr Poole's evidence".
627I do not accept that submission. I observed Mr Poole carefully while he gave this evidence. The impression I gained was that, until his attention was drawn to the passage in the draft submission (and ultimately in the Submission itself) to which I have referred at [620] above, he believed that the reference to 91 MT was to "saleable" coal. I gained the strong impression that he was surprised to realise that the clear implication from that passage was that his previously stated belief could not be correct. I did not get the impression that Mr Poole was being disingenuous in giving this evidence. Once he recognised that the 91 MT could not be "saleable" coal (but was, rather, the quantity of coal to be "beneficiated" to yield "saleable" coal) Mr Poole readily accepted that there was no "proper basis" for inclusion of the figure 91 MT in the Submission. However, I accept his evidence that he "didn't pick up the distinction between the two" at the time, and did not, when he was reviewing the drafts of the Submission understand the implication of the passage to which I have referred.