The power to examine may be used to conduct a fishing expedition ie beginning an examination without any clear suspicions and conducting an examination to determine if any matters or facts might emerge that may be of interest or assistance.
Whether or not the information sought by the liquidator is relevant to the performing of her or his statutory duty and whether the examinee needs to be safeguarded beyond the normal safeguards of court control of the whole process from the exercise of any oppressive power are matters to be left to the judge or officer presiding over the examination.'
15 Subject to three issues to which I will return, there is, in my view, nothing on the face of the material in evidence to suggest any impropriety on the part of the trustee in seeking the issue of the summons. His solicitor swore an affidavit in the matter, but she was not cross-examined by the applicant to suggest any impropriety. The tenor of her affidavit was to the contrary.
16 As mentioned, there are three specific issues which should next be addressed.
17 First, reliance is placed by the applicant upon an observation by Windeyer J in Rees v Kratzmann (1965) 114 CLR 63 (at 79) -
'The matters on which a person may be examined are, however, not wholly at large.'
18 In my opinion, this observation does not assist the applicant here.
19 For one thing, as has been mentioned, s 81(1) does not leave the matter at large. In its terms, the 'relevant person' is summoned, not for any purpose, but 'for examination in relation to the bankruptcy'. This would include investigation on matters which could justify the making of a claim under s 121.
20 Moreover, the context of Windeyer J's observation explains its meaning as adverse to the applicant's case.
21 His Honour said (at 79):
'The matters on which a person may be examined are, however, not wholly at large. The court which directs the examination must, I take it, state in its order whether the person summoned is to be examined on matters concerning the promotion or formation, or the conduct of the business of the company, or, in the case of an officer or former officer of the company, as to his own conduct and dealings as such officer. And the court before which the examination is held has a discretion as to the questions that may be asked. The boundaries of the discretion are admittedly not defined. But the purpose of the inquiry is to gain information that may be relevant for the proper conduct of the winding-up of the affairs of a company in relation to which there are prima facie grounds for thinking that some fraud has been committed or some material fact concealed. Doubtless a court would be guided in the exercise of the discretion that the Act gives by its apparent policy and purpose.'
22 After noting a remark by Jessel MR that the power conferred by a provision such as s 81 to summon third parties 'ought to be very carefully exercised', Windeyer J said (at 79):
'But I see nothing in the Act that requires the court to limit the examination of a person to particular matters or transactions mentioned in the liquidator's report. Something of importance may emerge as the inquiry proceeds. How far trails may be followed cannot, I think, be laid down in advance, for the purpose of the inquiry is the discovery of facts.'
23 As mentioned, investigation of circumstances which justify commencement of s 121 proceedings, as this examination apparently has in its contemplation, is, in my view, properly within the scope of s 81(1).
24 The second issue arises out of some remarks made by Burchett J in bankruptcy proceedings taken against the applicant. In order to understand these remarks, it should be noted that, although the sequestration order was made in October 2001, on 31 March 2000, Tamberlin J, acting apparently pursuant to s 50(2) of the Act, made certain orders in proceedings in which the National Australia Bank Limited ('the Bank') moved the Court for orders to examine the present applicant, the Bank claiming to be a judgment creditor of the present applicant.
25 (By s 50(1), it is provided that, at any time after a bankruptcy notice is issued, or a creditor's petition is presented, in relation to a debtor, the Court may give certain directions. By s 50(2), it is provided that, without limiting the generality of s 50(1), the Court may, at any time after giving a direction under s 50(1), summon, inter alia, the debtor, for examination under s 50 in relation to the debtor.)
26 The order made by Tamberlin J was as follows:
'THE COURT ORDERS THAT:
1. Joseph Pollak of 1 Wentworth Street, Point Piper shall attend:
(a) before the Registrar;
(b) at Federal Court, Queens Square, Sydney:
(c) on 8 May 2000 at 10.15 am and 10 May 2000 at 2.15 pm and until he be excused from further attending;
(d) for the purposes of being examined as to the questions:
(i) whether any and, if so, what debts are owing to him; and
(ii) whether he has any and, if so, what other property or means of satisfying the judgment or order by which he is bound.
2. Joseph Pollak shall attend and produce all documents and things in his possession, power or custody relating to those questions outlined above.
3. The examination of Joseph Pollak be recorded.'
27 Pursuant to this order, the applicant was examined before a Deputy Registrar by counsel for the Bank on 8 May 2000 (a recorded transcript of 100 pages) and on 31 July 2000 (a recorded transcript of 51 pages). On these occasions, the applicant was rigorously cross-examined about issues that may be expected to arise for consideration in the s 121 proceedings.
28 Reverting then to the context of the remark made by Burchett J, on 16 May 2000, the applicant, having been served with a bankruptcy notice issued at the request of the Bank, moved for an extension of time for compliance. In granting an extension, Burchett J said (Pollak v National Australian Bank Ltd [2000] FCA 683 at [9] - [10]):
'... The question, then, is whether the possible prejudice to the bank resulting from a delay of some two months in the possible commission of an act of bankruptcy is sufficient to outweigh the obvious prejudice to the debtor of remaining a person against whom it may be said that he has committed an act of bankruptcy, with the effect that that could have on his commercial arrangements, including dealings with banks and with all the array of individuals with whom one has to deal in one's day-to-day life, from whom payments may be received or to whom payments may have to be made.
I have considered the balance of these issues of prejudice carefully, and I have paid particular attention to evidence indicating that, some five years ago, the debtor did dispose of various apparently substantial assets, in particular to his wife. The bank says there may be an effect on its ability to set aside transactions. However, an examination of that evidence shows that if, on 19 June, the bank is successful, and the bankruptcy notice is not further extended, there would be no effect, and it is not suggested there would be any effect, on any transaction which is known. That is the first step. The second step is that I am satisfied that very thorough exploration of the debtor's affairs has already occurred, and that it is extremely unlikely there is any unknown transaction which could be so affected.'
29 Much reliance is placed by the applicant upon the last sentence of this passage.
30 His Honour's judgment was, of course, interlocutory and discretionary in character. It could not be decisive for present purposes, especially when it is the trustee, not the Bank, which seeks the investigation.
31 At the same time, two considerations should be weighed here in the applicant's favour.
32 First, the trustee already has the benefit, or advantage, of the answers given by the applicant in the recorded examination for the trustee's information and use.
33 Moreover, one must bear in mind the caveat expressed by Lockhart J in Re Jonson; Ex parte Prentice as Trustee of the Estate of Jonson (unreported, Lockhart J, 1 September 1997) (BC9703993 at 10) as follows:
'Particular care must be exercised when the power conferred by s77C is used to obtain information and documents about transactions that are impeached in current litigation commenced or continued by the trustee of a bankrupt's estate against respondents who include a proposed examinee under s77C. See Pioneer Concrete (Vic) Pty Ltd v Trade Practices Commission (1982) 152 CLR 460, in particular per Gibbs J at 468 and Mason J at 473 concerning s155 of the Trade Practices Act 1974.
In my opinion the purpose of issuing the summonses under s77C to both Mrs Jonson and Mrs MacDonald was essentially to obtain information about the property and affairs of the bankrupt, including his income and assets, and to examine the transfers of the properties and to probe the circumstances in which they were made.