MS NADDAF [Bennison McKinnon Carmichael representative]: Part of it have. I think there's 24 units or something in the block.
MR JOAKIM: There's 24 in the block and at the time when Mr Bianco was there it was only - apparently he'd sold all of them and then that's when we went to Herbert Geer and Rundle to try and get a loan, my understanding, in the early piece prior to July or something, some marketing group had sold all - when they came to settlement, Mr Chairman, apparently there was only six so there was 18 still available.[58]
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MR JOAKIM: If I can go through - yes there is. There is a caveat. Unfortunately because of the notice that was given their solicitor couldn't appear for Mr Bianco but because I know the whole story I'm here with your permission to be able to explain the whole story from start to finish so you can see where this gentleman's position is and its been jeopardized.
Prior to July when the 24 weren't able to be settled and there was only six, I got a phone call from Mr Gomez to say, 'Since you know me, would you be able to help me. I need to settle this urgently and I'm short of 200 odd thousand dollars', and I said, yes, and 'Will you be able to sell the units for me or try to. I've given it to other agents and they weren't able to.' I said, Roman, I don't want to. I'm not really doing that but I will get as much as I can for you. I'll help you whatever I can, speak to my network, and see how many we can get rid of for you.
I spoke to Mr Bianco because he was a client of mine. I sold a major property for him, and he decided that he would lend them the $200,000 plus $10,000 in cash so a total of $210,000 for a period of three months and they were supposed to pay him interest because they couldn't settle apparently, obviously. Herbert Geer and Rundle were going to pay the original owners who were the builders. So the 210 that Mr Bianco was giving was going to be able to be combined with Herbert Geer Rundle Mortgages to pay - let's say you're the builder and you owned it before and International then becomes the registered owner.
That happened on the 31st of July. An agreement was drafted then indicating that Mr Tony Bianco will lend them money on the basis of that they will pay him in three months' time or he had the right to lease and sub-lease the property until they paid him the money, one of the two and it was agreed that he could buy the property at a nominated price and he wasn't going to pay the nominated - the price that was marketed at the time because doing him a favour he wanted a favour back, Mr Chairman, so for example, I'll buy that at $400,000 less the money that I've paid you and that was agreed and the documentation is here. (Indistinct) and McKinnon would have got down the track the documents from all the kafuffle went on so did Herbert Geer and Rundle.(emphasis added)