COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: This witness says, 'I took this video'. The informant will be able to give evidence about what he was told, what happened on the day. The witness, who is - even if it is hearsay, because she was present, she has been called.
COUNSEL: Well, Your Honour
HIS HONOUR: How is it
COUNSEL: I looked at that video, right, I looked at that video and I said on the timeframes that I see, he could not have committed the offences. Because it's a 30 second period
HIS HONOUR: Between the time she disappears - he disappears and the time she comes back. Correct.
COUNSEL: She's running
HIS HONOUR: But, of course, if it happens to be motion-activated, your point is nonsense, isn't it? So we should sit on that. We shouldn't allow that evidence to be given.
COUNSEL: No, no. No, no.
HIS HONOUR: We shouldn't. We shouldn't let that happen ... .
COUNSEL: No. With respect, Your Honour, if I had known that this was going to be the evidence - and there's not a suggestion
HIS HONOUR: I understand that.
COUNSEL: Of it in the material.
HIS HONOUR: Well, hang on. There was a suggestion of it. I don't
COUNSEL: When?
HIS HONOUR: In his opening. In his - his cross
COUNSEL: Yesterday.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. And he told - of course it's new. The witness hasn't - but where are you prejudiced by any of this? It is just a nonsense objection.
COUNSEL: No, no. I come to court prepared to run
HIS HONOUR: No, no. I'm not interested in any of this coming to court nonsense.
COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: You were told by the prosecutor it was a motion-sensored [sic] camera.
COUNSEL: Well, this morning.
HIS HONOUR: You were told that. The informant is going to give evidence about the timeframes on the camera that he took photographs.
COUNSEL: Yes. The date I don't - the day
HIS HONOUR: No, no. The time. The time ... . The jury are onto it already.
COUNSEL: Look, Your Honour
HIS HONOUR: They actually asked which photos, they want to know, do these timestamps relate to.
COUNSEL: Yes. Yes.
HIS HONOUR: That is - so we can work out from these timestamps what occurred.
MR COUNSEL: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: The timestamps are because the camera is on motion - you don't even need evidence. You can come up with the conclusion that it is motion-activated by the times on the thing itself. Now, your objection about this is just amazing. Because what you're trying to do is say, 'Well, let's keep it secret and then I will be able to run a defence that isn't meritorious'. That's exactly what you have just said.
COUNSEL: Well, with respect, Your Honour, the material that was provided to me - if you take it at face value, he could not have committed the offences.
HIS HONOUR: No. That's just nonsense. Because you were told it was a motion-activated camera yesterday. You knew that. And you would like to keep that secret and then this sort of advocacy does no credit to you or the Bar.
COUNSEL: I'm
HIS HONOUR: If it's a motion-active camera, what you're trying to do - and it will come out that it is. Because the informant will be able to demonstrate that it is. As well as this witness saying it is. And you kick up a stink about it.
COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: I have no idea why [the prosecutor] couldn't lead that. Now, if you're prejudiced, you want to go out and get a time - checked, do you? Do you want to get some material in relation to whether this is motion-activated?
COUNSEL: Well, yes. I would. I would like to know what
HIS HONOUR: Why?
COUNSEL: Sort of device it is.
HIS HONOUR: No. Well, you're not getting that.
COUNSEL: What sort of motion-activation mechanism it has.
HIS HONOUR: That's not happening. Because, quite frankly, you knew - it is no more than a grandstanding. And it's the sort of point that just brings into disrepute the Bar.
COUNSEL: Well, Your Honour, with respect, I would submit it's not.
HIS HONOUR: Well, it is.
COUNSEL: It's a legitimate
HIS HONOUR: The witness says it's motion-detected. The policeman says it's motion-detected. You want to argue it's not?
COUNSEL: Well, how can I argue? I don't even know what the name of the device is.
HIS HONOUR: What does it matter?
COUNSEL: Well, I might
HIS HONOUR: What does it matter what the name
COUNSEL: I might look it up on the internet and see that it, you know
HIS HONOUR: [Counsel], have a look at the stills
COUNSEL: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: And the times. Not the date.
COUNSEL: No, I'm not looking at the date.
HIS HONOUR: The date shows the 15th. Forget the 15th. The times that the offence is supposed to have occurred. Yes, if we watch the video there is a 30 second gap or whatever it might be between the time your client ends up there
COUNSEL: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: And the time she comes bolting past like a gazelle.
COUNSEL: That's right.
HIS HONOUR: But then you stop and look at the times.
COUNSEL: Well, I can see the times on there
HIS HONOUR: You can?
COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: You can or you can't?
COUNSEL: Well, no, no. Not from the time that
HIS HONOUR: You - no.
COUNSEL: Not from the time that he leaves Cole - 46 - 25 Cole to the time she goes bolting past. Can Your Honour work that out from the stills?
HIS HONOUR: Yes. He goes up, he comes - hang on - hang on, I've got the times - the times are here with stills. I haven't done - he goes walking - she goes - sorry - the stills for all the relevant bits of - yes, he walks up there, it looks like 2.49 and 45.
COUNSEL: So what photo number are you looking at there, Your Honour?
HIS HONOUR: I think it's 42, 46, 42, 47, 48.
COUNSEL: Yes. What - this is
HIS HONOUR: But I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.
COUNSEL: No. Look
HIS HONOUR: The informant does it. And it's there and just - you knew this was motion-detected and you want me to prohibit [the prosecutor] from leading that from this witness. It's just not on. So what's your application now?
COUNSEL: My application was
HIS HONOUR: No. What's your application now?
COUNSEL: Well, can I make it, Your Honour?
HIS HONOUR: No, no. You said 'was'. I'm asking what it is.
COUNSEL: Well, it is that the prosecution provide, in written form, a statement as to the description of this device and the way that it is said to be motion-activated.
HIS HONOUR: No.
COUNSEL: So I can check it.
HIS HONOUR: Well, a cross-examiner you aren't. I am not ordering the prosecution to do anything. The woman who says, 'I have got seven cameras, they're motion-activated and this is video that I gave the policeman'.
COUNSEL: And can I just
HIS HONOUR: And are you seriously suggesting any of that's not true?
COUNSEL: Well, can I just add, Your Honour, I would have raised this even before the witness was interposed. In the middle of the complainant's evidence
HIS HONOUR: You had no objection to it. I asked.
COUNSEL: No, no. No. And we went - we never, ever, in the absence of the jury, said anything about this thing being motion activated.
HIS HONOUR: Do you really - it was said yesterday and Mister
COUNSEL: The witness was not asked about it when she's in the witness box.
HIS HONOUR: Very well. All right. Neither did you ask her about it.
COUNSEL: Of course not.
HIS HONOUR: You had - gee-whiz, we should have - I love this. You should have let it slip by.
COUNSEL: No, no, ultimately
HIS HONOUR: It's a disgraceful submission.
COUNSEL: I would have said to the jury, 'Look, there's the video. You can see there's a 30-second time delay from the time that he leaves '
HIS HONOUR: And you would have cheated, wouldn't you?
COUNSEL: That's not cheating, Your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Of course it is. You
COUNSEL: No, it's not.
HIS HONOUR: No, no, no. Let's not have any evidence that tells the truth to this jury. It's an appalling submission ... .
COUNSEL: It's for the Crown to prove its case.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, and it just did. And the informant is going to come and do it as well.
COUNSEL: Your Honour
HIS HONOUR: I mean, seriously, [counsel], you bring - this sort of submission is a disgrace.
COUNSEL: Your Honour
HIS HONOUR: What you're saying to me is the Crown should not have been allowed to lead evidence from this witness that the system was motion activated. The informant was - it has already been opened and the informant is going to give the same evidence. Now, it's just - and why? So that you could slip some dodgy defence through, and that's all you wanted to do.
COUNSEL: Your Honour, I
HIS HONOUR: Now, if you think that's good advocacy in the best traditions of the bar, I feel sorry for where it's going.
COUNSEL: Your Honour, I object to the comments that you made about my integrity and the way that I was proposing
HIS HONOUR: No. You've just said it yourself. I don't care whether you object.
COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: Your approach and that's what you wanted to do is a disgrace.
COUNSEL: Well, in light of those
HIS HONOUR: I don't care whether you - [counsel], I don't care whether you object or not.
COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: This conversation is over. I'm not
COUNSEL: Can I make a submission, Your Honour?
HIS HONOUR: No. You've made an application that I
COUNSEL: Can I make a submission?
HIS HONOUR: No. Wait till I rule on your application. You have made an application that the Crown provides you with written details of the equipment that was used. Answer is I am not forcing the Crown to do that and I refuse that application. What's your next submission?
COUNSEL: Can I make another application?
HIS HONOUR: Yes.
COUNSEL: I would ask Your Honour to disqualify yourself from presiding as the trial judge.
HIS HONOUR: Why?
COUNSEL: Because you've obviously, in my submission, shown an attitude that's biased to the defence.
HIS HONOUR: Why? I'm just biased against your deplorable attitude, not the defence.
COUNSEL: Your Honour, you've called me a cheat.
HIS HONOUR: No. No, I haven't.
COUNSEL: Yes, you have.
HIS HONOUR: I've said you've tried to. That's what you're trying to do.
COUNSEL: Well, no, that's what - Your Honour called me a cheat.
HIS HONOUR: That's what you're trying to do ... .
COUNSEL: Well
HIS HONOUR: I'm not disqualifying myself. That's it.
COUNSEL: Very well.
HIS HONOUR: All right.
COUNSEL: Very well.
HIS HONOUR: Let's get the jury back and the witness back, please.