13 Ms Rue said that at no time was she told her employment had been terminated, even though she knew staff at Tired Teddy's had received termination letters. Mrs Wotton had said "There is no need for all that".
14 On 2 September 1998, Ms Rue received notice from Nicholls & Co of a creditors' meeting to be held on 15 September. Ms Rue appointed her union official, Ms V Groom as her proxy and lodged a proof of debt claim with the liquidator for annual leave, annual leave loading and severance payments (Tp 17). Through the sale process, Ms Rue said that it was "business as usual". All staff remained employed and Mrs Wotton continued to operate the Centre. She was subsequently advised that Mrs Wotton's brother, Mr John Clarke, had purchased the business.
15 There was a meeting in November 1998 between Mr and Mrs Clarke and Ms Rue, at which Mrs Clarke was asked about the employees' accrued holidays. She had replied that her "entitlements were lost during the liquidation". Ms Rue had no further contact with Mr Clarke until she was terminated by him on 9 April 1999 for reasons of redundancy.
16 In oral evidence, Ms Rue attested that her employment conditions did not change after 24 August 1998. She had worked continuously from 18 August 1998 until 9 April 1999, with no change in the opening hours of the Centre.
17 In cross examination, Ms Rue denied that she was told by either Mr Nicholls, or Mr Brown (the liquidators) that her employment contract had been terminated as a consequence of the Supreme Court order. However, she was aware that if the sale did not go ahead, the centre would close. She agreed that she was uncertain, whether or not, she would receive her entitlements. She assumed if the business was sold, her entitlements would be protected.
18 Ms Rue acknowledged receiving the liquidator's report (dated 27 October 1998) which said in Pt 5, dealing with employee's unpaid holiday pay and superannuation, totalling $58,963.48, that there were insufficient funds to allow for distribution to be made to the employees. This was confirmed by the new employer in November 1998.
19 Ms Jacqueline Veronica Groom is an organiser for the NSW/ACT Independent Education Union, who has responsibility for the South-east and Central-west of New South Wales. In her affidavit evidence, marked Ex'7', Ms Groom describes various conversations with Mr Brown (the liquidator). In two conversations, on or about 19 August 1998, Ms Groom said that Mr Brown had told her that the staff could continue working and they would be paid. In the week commencing 24 August, Mr Brown told her that he knew of a buyer interested in purchasing the centres and, in the meantime, the centres would remain open and the employees would be paid.
20 Ms Groom had said that if the centres were sold, the employees' entitlements would be protected by s102 of the Industrial Relations Act. Mr Brown had replied "yes, but if the prospective purchaser knows this then the sale will not go through". Ms Groom attested that the substance of this conversation was repeated in several other telephone calls and at the meeting of creditors on 15 September. She reaffirmed this evidence in the witness box.
21 Ms Groom had advised members to complete a proof of debt form in order to ensure outstanding entitlements (including redundancy benefits) were taken into account by the liquidator.
22 Ms Groom said she did not receive a copy of the minutes of the 15 September creditors' meeting until some months later. The minutes were not a true and correct record of the meeting as they did not record discussion of s102 of the Act.
23 In oral evidence, Ms Groom contested Mr Brown's version of the conversation at the meeting of creditors on 15 September. She accepted that there was "considerable uncertainty" as to whether the businesses would close. She further said it wasn't her place to go along with the liquidator deceiving the prospective purchaser by not revealing obligations under s102.
24 Mr John William Clarke is a director of Allambia. He provided affidavit evidence (Ex'A') and gave oral testimony. He described the details of the purchase, in October 1998, of the three child care centres previously owned by Coralpalm. Attached to his affidavit is the Sales Agreement between Coralpalm (in liquidation) - the vendor, and Allambia as the purchaser. He said it was a term of the agreement that all employees of Coralpalm were terminated by the vendor on 18 August as a consequence of its liquidation (Cl 6.1).
25 Mr Clarke attests that he became aware of the winding up of Coralpalm through his sister, Judy Wotton, then a director of Coralpalm. He had offered to the liquidator, Nicholls & Co, that Allambia take over running the three child care centres on a caretaker basis in order for prospects of sale to be explored. He became aware that the only asset of Cuddly Possums Long Day Centre (and the others) was its goodwill and that if the centres closed - even for a day - they would lose their Department of Community Services licences. Mr Clarke subsequently entered into a licence arrangement to run the three centres effective from 24 August 1998.
26 Mr Clarke attests that this caretaker arrangement was on the understanding that he was not responsible for any of Coralpalm's liabilities prior to 24 August, and that while retaining all the employees, their employment had been terminated on 18 August. Mr Clarke employed his sister, Mrs Wotton, as manager of the centres.
27 Between 24 August and 16 October, Mr Clarke, along with several other parties, discussed purchasing the businesses with the liquidator. Agreement was finally reached for Allambia to purchase the centres from Coralpalm. He subsequently wrote to all employees confirming their new employment.
28 In April 1999 Ms Tanya Rue was made redundant as the number of children had dropped and the choice had been to make a teacher position redundant, or close the centre. Ms Rue's termination entitlements were calculated from 24 August 1998 to 9 April 1999. Mr Clarke says that Ms Rue was overpaid annual leave in the amount of 40.33 hours. She did not receive severance pay as her employment was less than one year.
29 He assumed the reference to twenty days' annual leave in the separation certificate was a clerical error made by his sister whose signature appears on the certificate.
30 In oral evidence, Mr Clarke says he was informed by Mr Brown (the liquidator) that all the employees had been terminated on 18 August 1998.
31 He described the sale process as "a very messy affair" and there was considerable doubt as to whether he would be the successful purchaser.
32 In cross examination, Mr Clarke confirmed that the temporary licence arrangement was verbally entered into and operated until the sales agreement was finalised. The agreement incorporates both the licensing agreement effective from 24 August, and the terms of sale as at 16 October. Mr Clarke was shown a letter dated 24 August 1998 from the liquidator to Mr Clarke's solicitor, which disclosed that the purchase of the goodwill at that time was contemplated at $90,000. The eventual sale price was $25,000. Mr Clarke gave evidence that since August 1998, Allambia had sold both Cuddly Possums, Blayney and Cheeky Cherubs at Parkes. He said that he had sold Cuddly Possums for $32,000 for plant and equipment and $6,000 for goodwill.
33 Mr Graeme Brown, is the manager of A R Nicholls & Co and was the Court appointed liquidator of Coralpalm. In his affidavit, Ex'B', Mr Brown said that on 19 August 1998, he, Mr Nicholls and Mr Wotton visited the three child care centres, then owned by Coralpalm. He said, at each centre, either he, or Mr Nicholls, informed employees that as a result of the liquidation their employment contracts were automatically terminated and that existing entitlements may, or may not be paid, depending on whether the businesses were sold, and how much was paid for them.
34 Mr Brown confirmed that a caretaker arrangement was entered into with Allambia on 24 August 1998. On 2 September 1998, Mr Brown wrote to all potential creditors, including employees, advising of a creditors' meeting on 15 September and enclosing a summary of the company's affairs, forms for the appointment of proxies and proof of debt forms. Ms Groom attended as a proxy for Ms Rue. Mr Brown attests that Ms Groom had asked about the employees' status and had acknowledged his reply that all employment contracts had been terminated and the new employer would accept no responsibility of employee entitlements due by Coralpalm. Annexure B, the minutes of the meeting, disclose this exchange. The total of outstanding employee entitlements and superannuation was $58,963.48.
35 In respect to the sale process, Mr Brown attests that between 18 August and 16 October, there was "considerable uncertainty" as to whether a sale would take place. There needed to be an agreement between the potential purchaser, the liquidator and other charge holders. The agreement took effect on 16 October 1998.
36 Mr Brown confirmed Mr Clarke's understanding of Allambia's liabilities arising only from 24 August 1998. He said that, after distribution of sale funds, there was no funds to distribute to unsecured creditors, including the unpaid employee entitlements owed by Coralpalm. In his report to creditors of 27 October 1998, Mr Brown had advised that the company had traded whilst insolvent. However, the liquidator had decided not to take action against the Coralpalm directors, but the creditors might seek to do so.
37 In reply to Ms Rue's affidavit, he said it was Mr Nicholls, and not himself, who spoke at the meeting on 19 August with the employees. He said that he had spoken to Ms Groom on various occasions and stressed to her that employee entitlements would only be paid if a sale eventuated. After the sale, he informed her that there were insufficient funds to meet the employees' entitlements. Mr Brown said Ms Groom acknowledged the situation and had even said "at least they've still got their jobs".
38 Mr Brown said that Ms Rue was informed that her employment was terminated at the meeting on 19 August, in the letter to creditors of 2 September and through her proxy, Ms Groom, at the meeting of creditors on 15 September 1998.
39 In oral evidence Mr Brown described the process of liquidation and how it applied to Coralpalm. He said that the centres were costing about $18,000 a week to run and that the liquidator was not in a position to assume the operating role. Its role was to close the centres down, gather the assets and sell them. However, Mr Craig Wotton put it to the staff that they would continue to be paid by him as there may be somebody interested in buying the business; but the sale would take some time to put in place.
40 Mr Clarke became involved in temporarily running the centres by assuming the running costs and employing the existing staff. The Department of Community Services was content with Mr Clarke doing so as he already had a licensed child care centre at Orange.
41 Mr Brown said that the company had no assets, as the centres, equipment and furniture were all under lease to ESANDA and the ANZ Bank. Initially, Mr Clarke had agreed to purchase the goodwill for $130,000. He had, in fact, paid a deposit of $13,000 into the liquidator's trust account. One of the charge holders, a Mr Samra, was to be paid $50,000 by Mr Clarke and the sale price was re-negotiated to $90,000. ESANDA and the ANZ had also negotiated favourable terms with the liquidator. However, the Samra deal fell through and Mr Clarke withdrew his offer. Mr Brown sought to prevail on him and finally the liquidator was left with no choice but to accept an offer of $25,000 out of which Mr Samra was paid $10,000.
42 Mr Clarke had spent close to $100,000 in running costs to this point. The liquidator only had goodwill to sell. The implications of not reaching an agreement was that the centres would close.
43 In cross examination, Mr Brown described his recollection of various conversations with Ms Groom. He said that on 20 August 1998 he had told her the employees had been terminated. He recalled that she had said she could not sanction her members working without pay. However, he was aware, Mr Wotton had made arrangements for the staff to be paid, but as far as the liquidator was concerned, they were working on a voluntary basis. Mr Brown did not recall saying, in a conversation with Ms Groom, in the week of 24 August, that he knew of a buyer for the centres and in the meantime the centres were to remain open and the staff would continue to be paid. He said Ms Groom had never mentioned s102 of the Act and he denied saying that, if the prospective purchaser knew of the obligations under s102, the sale would not go through. He also denied that this was said at the meeting on 15 September.
44 Mr Brown said it was his understanding that the order of the Supreme Court of 18 August 1998 automatically terminated the employees' employment. While stating that the company, Coralpalm, was thereby dissolved, he conceded a winding up order doesn't always lead to dissolution. A liquidator may carry on the business as far as may be necessary to wind it up, so long as funds are available to do so. This was not the position with Coralpalm, as no funds were available.
45 In respect to the temporary licence arrangement, Mr Brown conceded that the reference to it in the final sales agreement was because verbal approval had been obtained beforehand. The Department of Community Services had reluctantly agreed to the temporary arrangement, after Mr Brown had discussed it with them.