"These Vista Blue documents to which I just took you including the proposal for a preliminary fee of $400,000 US in your letter of 10 September 1999, the date at which these letters were prepared and the fact that they refer to promotional activities in Europe and USA is consistent with the fact that your arrangement in this period with DRD was through Vista Blue and not through Newshore?---No. At both - at that period of time - No it was both.
Are you saying that DRD engaged you, engaged Newshore through you, for you to engage in promotional activities on its behalf at this very time in September and October 1999?---No, Vista Blue was promoting stock on the United States. Newshore could not do so.
Didn't you say at page 144 of the transcript that the work you did involved making phone calls to associates, that included the United States?---Yes.
And then having made those appointments you would begin your rounds?---Yes correct.
Presumably, that included travelling to the United States?---Yes of course it does.
Are you saying the promotional activities performed in the United States were performed by Vista Blue?---Yes.
And in other countries by Newshore?---Yes.
In other countries by Newshore?---Not every other country but mostly yes.
But isn't it the case if you look Mr Bryer at Vista Blue's invoice of 1 November 1999 for $150,000?---Yes.
That Vista Blue has charged DRD for promotional activities carried out in Europe?---Yes correct.
And yet you say that at the same time Newshore was also charging for promotional activities carried out in Europe?---Correct.
Why was it do you say that DRD retained both Vista Blue and Newshore to provide those services?---Vista Blue promoted shares only. That's what it did. It was to keep - it was to firm the share price, to make people interested, to bring the company to the attention of the stock market. In the United States it required a track record. In other countries it did not.
So you're saying that Newshore did not provide services in the United States?---No, it also provided service in the United States where no track record was required. There are certain big brokerage houses - not only brokerage houses but private clients who won't deal with a company that they don't recognise.
For what purpose would Vista Blue not meet with the brokers of that kind in the United States?---It did meet with them.
Was that you on behalf of Vista Blue meeting with these brokers?---I and others.
Well you on behalf of Vista Blue?---No. I said 'I and others' and it would involve, for example, a law firm in the United States, in New York in particular, that arranged such lobbying and introductions.
How would you decide whether a meeting that you attended was going to be charged by Vista Blue and which meeting was going to be charged by Newshore?---Because we handled a specific job which was finished ultimately by Vista Blue and then Newshore took over after that.
Alright so...?---Where it was required where there's a great deal of money to be expended on promotional activities, Vista Blue did it, because its responsibility was to pay the bill.
When do you say that the Vista Blue part of the services and the Newshore part started?---It was no specific time. It was in fact overlapped many times. It would make no difference.
You said that when the Vista Blue part of the project finished, Newshore commenced its operation?---No, it didn't commence. It was already running its operation and there may be some overlap but its of no consequence.
Vista Blue charged for expenditures incurred by it in relation to the activities in which it engaged?---Yes some of the expenses of course.
Which expenses didn't it charge?---Well its total fee was all paid to an off-shore company so it makes its own arrangements and pays its own bills."