Kathy Tucker (nee Barnes), Corina Bennell (nee Tucker), Lisa Bennell, Jarred Dimer, Brett Dimer, Hilda Dimer (nee Barnes), Aaron Dimer, Shondelle Garlett (nee Dimer), Quinton Tucker, Shaun Dimer and Matthew Bennell
74 These Form 5 applicants are members of the Ngurludharra/Waljen Heritage and Land Council. As claimants they registered a native title claim over and beyond the borders of the Yilka claim area on 27 July 1995. They contend that the Ngurludharra/Waljen has been recognised as traditional owners in the area for thousands of years. They say that as early as January 1996, they sought to negotiate concerning the interests of the Cosmo area residents by which they asserted that they had traditional, historical and genealogical connections to the Cosmo Newberry area. The Ngurludharra/Waljen claim was joined with the Wongatha claim which was deregistered in August 2005 as a result of the decision by Lindgren J in Wongatha. The Ngurludharra/Waljen point to a passage from the judgment of Lindgren J at [4005] and also at [4008] where his Honour said:
In substance a determination of native title is a determination "whether or not native title exists in relation to a particular area". Accordingly, an order of dismissal is not a determination of native title.
I need not discuss the question of the effect of a dismissal if, for example, an individual were in the future to apply for a determination that he or she had individual rights and interests, or if a different group were in the future to apply for a determination that it had group rights and interests, in the Wongatha claim area or in part of it. Nothing that I have said is intended either to preclude or to encourage the advancing of any such claim.
75 In relation to M/s Kathy Tucker (nee Barnes), the Ngurludharra/Waljen make the following points.
76 In M/s Tucker's Form 5 notice, she stated she has a 'strong rightful connection' and further states the connection is 'ancestral', 'traditional', 'historical' and 'genealogical'. Following this statement M/s Tucker lists a family tree that she believes proves her 'strong rightful connection' by traditional laws and customs of the area.
77 The 'strong rightful connection' is said to be an assertion by M/s Tucker that traditional law and customs in the area recognise the descendents of Wunu and Biyuwarra and their rights and interest in the land as traditional owners. The 'ancestral' connection was stated to prove native title interest in the land before sovereignty.
78 In Wongatha (at [296]), Lindgren J said:
Since the evidence does not establish any important and relevant event between 1829 and the earliest European records relating to the Goldfields, I infer that the situation that existed immediately when the written record began was like that at sovereignty.
79 Further, M/s Tucker's oldest sister, M/s Marjorie Bonney (the oldest family member giving evidence on behalf of that family's interest in the claim) gave the following evidence during the Wongatha hearings:
I am my parents' eldest child, followed by my brother, Cyril [Barnes]. I also have sisters named Kathy, Allison, Hilda, Jane and Faye (twins). [T4871] at 641
My fathers' family came from around Minnie Creek. [T4867] His brothers and sisters were Alice, Cissie (Cissie McIntyre, the wife of Ranji McIntyre), Bella and Jim. [T4868] Aunty Alice (Yuduma) and Nadine [Cissy McIntyre] were older than my father. Aunty Alice's husband was Whisker Elder. Aunty Alice told me she cam (sic-came) 'from Mulga Queen, Cosmo towards Minnie Creek." At 644
I also describe myself as Ngurludharra. [T4905] I was a claimant as one of the Ngurludharra people on the claim put in by Quentin (sic) Tucker on behalf of the Ngurludharra and Waljan (sic) people. At 678
80 The 'traditional' connection stated by M/s Tucker identifies the customs and laws of the land which recognise the belongings and ownership of the land to each generation.
81 Evidence given by M/s Tucker's 'aboriginal brother' or cousin and intended representative for the Ngurludharra/Waljen claim, Mr Danny 'Darn' Harris (recently deceased), during the Wongatha hearings shows this traditional connection to the land and its water sources still exists. Mr Harris stated:
2129 My mother's mother (my grandmother or kaparli) was Biyuwarra (Biddy). [T1618-9] Her husband was Wunu. I did not see either of them, but I have seen a photograph of Biyuwarra in Mt Margaret: A Drop in the Bucket. They lived at the Mission before I was born. [T1619] My mother's sister was Cissie Barnes who married Ranji McIntyre. Cissie has passed away [Ranji McIntyre passed away after judgment was reserved]. [T1596] I call Ranji McIntyre 'mama' which is like 'father'. [T10096] Pearlie Wells is one of their children, and my cousin, and I call her 'sister'. [T1596] Ranji and Cissie had two sons and another daughter but all those have passed away. [T10081] Her (Aunt Cissie's) two sons lived with her at the Mission. [T10081-2] My mother had two brothers (my kamurus); Jim Barnes [deceased] and Snowy Barnes. [T1595] Cyril Barnes is one of his [Snowy's] children, and I call him 'brother' (kukurtu), which is like cousin. [T1596, T10108] My aunty, my mother's sister, is Alice Barnes, who has passed away. [T1596] My mother, Cissie, and Alice had the same mother.
2147 Lampi Turner took Cyril, Bobby and me on a trip to Ngarrurtji, Yilurn (Government Well) and back to Cosmo. At 'some of those places' he told Cyril Barnes and me, 'this is your thamu ngurrara, ngurrara'. '[T]hat means it's grandfather's country, camp; he been every rockhole … In all the rockholes, it's your thamu ngurra this one, ngurrara.' [T10203‑4] Lampi said my thamu's ngurrara went from Wartu to Marntjal [Mantjal], back to Pajarta, Tatjarn, Ngarrurtji and back to Yilurn, Mapa, Pirlpirr and from Cosmo to Yilurn, Yilka. [T10204] That's my thamu ngurra. [T10204] My grandfather's (Wunu's) [country] is Cosmo, Minnie Creek, all that I mentioned, all the rockholes. He told me or my mother told me. [T10211]
2148 My country is the same as my thamu's; it is my 'thamu ngurra, ngurarra'. [T10207]…
82 The point is made that until his recent passing Mr Harris was a member of the applicant as shown in the Yilka claimant application. In Wongatha (at [214]), Lindgren J said:
The Cosmo applicant submits:
'The list of ancestors in Schedule A of the Cosmo [form 1] serves to describe the antecedents of the current group members who claim through their antecedents' connections to country. It does not define the Cosmo Newberry claim group in perpetuity. For example, the next generation of Cosmo Newberry claimants may identify through the living upper generation and would describe themselves by reference to different antecedents. It is also not automatically the case that all those antecedents' descendants would choose to assert a claim to Cosmo Newberry and nor is it the case that only their descendants could claim country (though a claim on any other basis would need to be grounded in a traditional and recognised link).'
I accept the State's submission that the process as described is 'uncertain, unpredictable and arbitrary'. It is a process which permits the members from time to time to change the membership criteria by recognising additional ancestors or withdrawing recognition of ancestors presently recognised.
83 As a close relative of Mr Harris and with the same ancestral and traditional connections to the land, M/s Tucker claims the same native title rights to the country as Mr Harris. Now that he has passed on, M/s Tucker will no longer have any representative on this claim to speak on behalf of herself and her traditional connection to the land.
84 The applicant has conceded as noted that as relatives of a listed Yilka member, M/s Bessie Dimer (deceased) and M/s Daisy Dookie Rundle hold 'native title in the claim area and have interests that may be affected by a determination'. There is opposition to the applicant's claim that the Court should not consider the two women for joinder because they do not assert that 'they did not authorise the Yilka claim or that they are not adequately represented by the applicant'.
85 In M/s Tucker case, she is a relative of a listed Yilka member, Mr Danny Harris. M/s Tucker and others have also asserted that they have not been adequately represented by the applicant. Finally, Mr Harris having recently passed away leaving no representative on the Yilka claim.
86 M/s Tucker also claims an 'historical' connection to the land as her family history shows a connection to the land by its visits, even after sovereign disruption and removal, to significant sites to ensure the continuation of laws and customs.
87 Finally, M/s Tucker asserts a genealogical connection. The passing down of traditional ownership from parent to offspring is of significant importance to Ngurludharra/Waljen laws and customs. As expressed in Mr Harris' evidence, each parcel of land that belonged to his grandfather now belonged to him. Both M/s Tucker and Mr Harris shared the same grandparents and now the same connection to the land and waters in the applicant's claimed area.
88 It is argued therefore that in considering whether M/s Tucker should be joined as a party under s 84(3)(a)(ii) and (iii) NTA the answer would be affirmative.
89 Similar claims are made in respect of the other members of this claim group.
90 These Form 5 applicants contend that they have met the requirements of s 84(3) NTA and the applicant's motion should be dismissed. Further, they expressly seek, although there is no motion on foot, an order that the Form 5 applicants are now a party to the application. Alternatively, that mediation be ordered for each Form 5 applicant and the applicants in relation to overlapping native title issues.