The 9 March incident
40The Respondent contends that from the material before the Tribunal the inference is available that the Applicant was involved in the 9 March incident. It refers to the 15 April 2001 statement of Sergeant Ashley Keegan contained in the Police brief. Sergeant Keegan arrested the Applicant in relation to the 9 March incident. Sergeant Keegan provided the following account of what transpired when he told the Applicant that he was under arrest:
As I said this I showed my Police Identification badge.
I said, "You are under arrest for your involvement in a riot and the wounding of George FARAH at Gordon Tyler Smash Repairs Toongabbie yesterday. I am also arresting you for assaulting Steven McCOSH on Tuesday the 8th of March."
MOUJALLI said, "I was not even there."
I said, "You do not have to say or do anything unless you wish, but what you say or do may be recorded in used in evidence against you. Do you understand that?
He said, "Yes, but I wasn't there."
41The Respondent says that the Applicant didn't exercise the right to silence but put a global assertion without putting an alibi.
42In his statement the Applicant's said "I worked on the 9th March even though I was still in pain from the assault."
43The Respondent contends that the Applicant made no mention of anything else he was doing. It further contends that the Applicant was aware of the incident at 3.45pm on 9 March 2011. Therefore it is a reasonable construction that his statement was to indicate that he was working at 3.45pm on 9 March 2011.
44The Respondent points to the coincidence of the two events. It says that the question arises as to whether the incident on 8 March 2011 was a motivating factor for the 9 March incident because the Applicant was hostile to Mr McCosh and his employer.
45The Respondent points to the statement that Shane Taylor gave to police in relation to the 9 March incident. On that day Mr Taylor was working as a panel beater at Gordon Tyler Smash Repairs. In his statement Mr Taylor said:
I know Joe Moujalli as a tow truck driver. I have known of him for about four years. That is I don't know him personally just by face and name. He used to work in the Rosehill area but I haven't seen him for 2 to 3 years. So the last time I seen him he was driving a 'Secure' towing truck.
In late afternoon on Wednesday 9th March 2011 I was in the workshop working on a Toyota Land Cruiser. ...
I was working on a Toyota Land Cruiser. I was leaning in the car and had my head under the dash. Then all of a sudden I got drag out of the car from my legs. My glasses came off, although I can see without them. I said, "What the fuck is going on"? I initially thought it was some of our workers playing a practical joke, but when I glanced around the work shop, I just saw heaps of people running and yelling. There were heaps of people, at leaps 20 or 30 people maybe even more. I heard these people yelling, "Go into the office". They were rounding all the workers up.
There were a couple of people around me maybe three or four and they grabbed my shirt and walked me towards the office. Walked into the office from the workshop door. Once I was in the office I saw Lee [manager of the shop] was sitting on a seat leaning over with his head forward and blood oozing from his face. I was looking around and then all of a sudden I got king hit to my right side of my jaw. I fell to the ground and then felt hits to my body and head. I remember been kicked and people stamping on my head and body. I felt immediate pain and I just put my hands over my head to protect myself. I remained on the floor doing this.
I heard things getting smashed, like table and chairs and things pulled out of cupboards, etc. I heard them repeatedly yelling, "Where's the surveillance cameras". And we were all saying, "We've got none". Then I heard someone yell, "Let's get out of here now". They then started to run and I put my head up and saw everyone running out of the office. As everyone was running out that is when I saw Joe Moujalli in the office. When I looked at him, he looked back at me and he smiled directly at me. He then turned and walked or ran off with the other offenders.
All the offenders then left the office area either through the workshop or through the main entry door of the office. I wouldn't be able to describe any of the offenders. All I could say is that they were mixed race some in there early twenties and some much older. The only person I recognised was Joe Moujalli.
46In his statement of 6 June 2011 Sergeant Keegan said that he asked Mr Taylor to view photos to assist in the investigation but he refused. Sergeant Keegan said that Mr Taylor said that he did not want to get involved any further.
47Mr Taylor gave evidence before the Local Court at Liverpool on 17 November 2011. The transcript of those proceedings indicates the following exchange between Mr Taylor and Mr Dennis, counsel for the Applicant:
Dennis: Mr Taylor, when you spoke to the police you indicated to them that you'd seen Joe Moujalli on this particular day, didn't you?
ST:Yes, I did.
Dennis: ... as at March of this year, 10 March this year, when you made your statement, how long had you known Mr Moujalli for?
ST:For three to four years.
Dennis:All right, and-
ST:Could've been five.
Dennis:-and how did you know him?
ST:He dro - through driving tow trucks.
Dennis: All right.
ST: I know him by face and name.
Dennis: And how, um, how often would you see him?
ST: I wouldn't see him months - could be three months, depends.
Dennis: All right. Do you recall when it was the last time you saw him before the date of this incident?
ST: No, I can't.
Dennis: All right, do you recall saying to the police in paragraph 10 of your statement: "He used to work in the Rosehill area but I haven't seen him for two to three years"?
ST: Yes.
Dennis: All right, so, you're not close friends with him?
ST: No.
Dennis: You don't socialise with him?
ST: No.
Dennis: To the best of your knowledge, you don't have any mutual friends?
ST: No.
Dennis: All right, so he's nothing more than a passing acquaintance, would that be right?
ST: Could say that, yes.
...
Dennis: ... Were you concerned for your safety when you were dragged out of the car?
ST: Yes, I was.
Dennis: And concerned for the safety of your workmates?
ST: Well, before I got - before I was dragged out, I didn't know who was in the workshop, I - I thought there was a practical joke that the other boys were playing.
Dennis: All right. And could you see - of what you were able to see, um, did you notice whether there were any weapons or not?
ST: Not at the time, no.
Dennis: All right, is that because you were having some difficulty with seeing things at that time?
ST: Well, I suppose so, yes.
Dennis: All right, and, in fact, as you got dragged out of the car, your glasses got knocked off, didn't they?
ST: Yes.
Dennis: Right. Um, now, when you told the police that you saw Mr Moujalli, that was your honest belief at the time you made the statement, would you agree with that?
ST: Yes.
Dennis: Now, at some later time, a police officer, Detective Keegan, came and spoke to you again, didn't he? About whether you were prepared to come to court and so on?
ST: Yes, he did.
Dennis: All right, and during the course of that conversation, do you remember him asking you this question: "Well, I'm just wanting to clarify how well you saw him" - meaning Mr Moujalli.
ST: I can't remember that.
Dennis: All right, and - and you answered: "Well, my glasses were knocked off." Do you recall saying that?
ST: In the original statement, yes, I did.
Dennis: All right. Do you accept from me that the police officer has made a note of the conversation he's had with you, after your statement, where you've repeated that position? What I've just read out to you in these terms: "Well" - question: "Well, I just - I'm just wanting to clarify how well you saw him", and you answered "Well, my glasses were knocked off. Do you accept that you might've had a conversation to that effect with the police officer?
ST:I could've, yes.
Dennis: All right. Um, what do you say to this, that, given that your glasses were knocked off, and given that all that was happening on that day, that you might've made an honest mistake about seeing Mr Moujalli?
ST: I could've.
48The Respondent points to a certificate issued under section 257 of the Road Transport Act 2013 which indicates that there is no condition placed on Mr Taylor's drivers licence that he wears glasses whilst driving.
49The Respondent also points to the Local Court transcript showing the following exchange between Mr Taylor and counsel for the prosecution when Mr Taylor was questioned about his ability to see:
Hughes: ... can you just indicate what you can see without your glasses?
ST: I can sort of see - vision - I can go to the toilet or stuff like that.
Hughes: Okay. Um, now you - you've told police - so your glasses were knocked off for the entirety of this - of this incident, is that correct?
ST: Yes. Yes.
Hughes: From when you were dragged out from the car. Now, after indicating that you were dragged out from the car, you've given police a description of what - what you saw happening, is that correct?
ST:Yes.
Hughes: You've indicated: "I glanced around the workshop. I saw heaps of people running and yelling. There were heaps of people at least" - I believe that's probably at least - "twenty or thirty people, maybe even more". You've indicated to police that you - that you saw that?
ST:Yes. Yep.
Hughes: And that's what you saw on the day?
ST: Yes.
Hughes: Okay. You indicated there were a couple of people around you and - sorry: "There were a couple of people around me, maybe three or four, and they grabbed my shirt and walked me towards the office - walked into the office from the workshop door. Once I was in the office I saw Lee was sitting on a seat leaning over with his head forward and blood oozing from his face." Did you tell that to-
ST: Yes.
Hughes: -to police? And that's the truth?
ST: Yes.
Hughes:How far away was Lee sitting?
ST: Oh, I don't know, probably a metre away.
Hughes: And you could see that was Lee?
ST: Well, I knew he sits there, so.
Hughes: You knew that he sits there?
ST: Yeah.
Hughes: And there's other people in the office?
ST: Yes.
Hughes: Was it the case you could see that was Lee?
ST: Well, the figure of Lee, yes.
Hughes: And then the next - then you tell police that, um, there was fur - further altercation and - and ... you said to police: "As everyone was running out that is when I saw Joe Moujalli in the office." Did you - do you remember saying that to police?
ST: Yes.
Hughes: "When I looked at him he looked back at me and he smiled directly at me".
ST: Yes.
Hughes: You told police that. And that - on the day that's what you saw, is that correct?
ST: Yes.
Hughes: And you could see his face on the day?
ST: I thought it was him, yes.
Hughes: ... If someone's standing, say, a metre away from - from you, when your glasses are knocked off, can you see them?
ST: Yes.
Hughes: Can you see detail?
ST: Yes.
Hughes: On the day, you were certain that the person you saw was Joe Moujalli?
...
ST: I was, yes.
50The Respondent contends that Mr Taylor did not make any concession that he had made an error but he accepted that he could have made a mistake. It is not correct to say that Mr Taylor recanted.
51The transcript of the interview between the Applicant and officers of the Respondent records the following exchange at pages 12 - 13 of the transcript:
Q101: Where were you at approximately 3.45 on the 9th of March 2013?
A101: I was at home with my neighbour who was eating with me at the front of my house and also the neighbour from two doors up who came over while we were eating and said: "Have you seen the news?" That was the first I knew about it.
Q102: Can you tell me the name of your neighbour?
A102: Yes, Simon.
Q103: Simon, last name?
A103: Zaiden. ...
52The Respondent submits that the Applicant did not offer this alibi to Police at the time of his arrest or at any time prior to the interview on 29 August 2013. As noted above, the Applicant had previously said that he was working on 9 March 2011. The Respondent submits that the only purpose the Applicant would have said he was working on that day was to put forward an alibi. Therefore, what he said to the officers of Respondent in the interview on 29 August 2013 was inconsistent with his statement that he was working on the day.
53The Respondent says that an inference is to be drawn from the Applicant's failure to give evidence. The Tribunal could conclude that the Applicant may have been involved in the 9 March incident. Further, the Respondent says that the Applicant's inconsistency is significant. If he lied to the Tribunal or to the Respondent he is not a fit and proper person to be a tow truck driver and it is not in the public interest for him to do so. The decisions should therefore be affirmed.