The use of the Category 12 Documents
25 Questions 4 to 7 are as follows:
(4) In respect of each source code file contained in the Category 12 Documents, identify whether the source code file (in whole or part) has been incorporated into any version of the firmware for any Copyright Hytera Devices.
(5) For any source code file contained in the Category 12 documents that is identified as having been incorporated (in whole or in part) into firmware for any Copyright Hytera Device in response to question 4, identify:
(a) each version of firmware that each source code file has been incorporated into; and
(b) where in each version of firmware the source code file has been incorporated.
(6) To the extent not covered by questions 4 and 5, identify any use that was made by Hytera of any of the Category 12 Documents, including:
(a) the nature of the use;
(b) when the use occurred;
(c) the individual(s) involved in the use.
(7) For each individual identified in response to paragraph 6(c) above and to the extent not already provided in response to question 3, identify:
(a) whether the individual is a current employee of Hytera;
(b) the date the individual commenced employment with Hytera;
(c) each role or position held by the individual during their employment with Hytera, including identification of the department and a description of the individual's responsibilities in the identified role(s) or position(s);
(d) the name(s), position(s) or title(s) of the person(s) to whom each individual reported;
(e) when and how each individual was involved in the development, design, creation or modification of Hytera's digital mobile radio products, source code or firmware;
(f) if the individual is no longer a current employee of Hytera:
(i) the date the individual ceased employment with Hytera; and
(ii) if the individual's employment was terminated, the reason(s) for the termination.
26 Hytera opposed these questions being asked at all on a number of bases. First, it submitted that it would be difficult for Hytera to determine the answer to Question 4 and that it would need to ask an expert. I see no such difficulty. It is not obliged to obtain an expert. It is required to determine whether it knows whether the source code was used in the devices. To be clear, the task which Hytera confronts is not to assess from a forensic perspective whether it now believes that the code was incorporated. It is to ask those who would know whether it was so incorporated. Hytera recognised this in its written submissions in citing Adams v Dickeson [1974] VR 77 as authority for the proposition that a party interrogated is only required to answer to the best of its own knowledge, information and belief at the time that it is interrogated.
27 Secondly, Hytera submitted that Questions 4 and 5 were tantamount to interrogating about the contents of documents (which is not permitted: see, eg, Lynch v Cash Converters Personal Finance Pty Ltd (No 4) [2018] FCA 988 at [26]-[31] per Gleeson J). Whilst I accept that, in general, it is wasteful to allow a party to interrogate about the contents of a document (for example, 'does the letter contain the following paragraph…') when looking at the document is almost always much more useful, I do not accept that that principle applies in this case. The source code here has been compiled into object code. Looking at the object code will tell one very little about the role of the source code (at least not without a lot of effort). On the other hand, asking Hytera's own employees whether the source code was used in the relevant object code would be easy to do.
28 I accept that some of the employees involved may have left Hytera. But this makes no difference to the inquiry. Those persons can be traced, and if contacted, asked. If they cannot be contacted, then so be it. However, it is unpersuasive to point to all the problems which might arise as a reason not to issue the interrogatories when there is no certainty any of the problems will arise or, if they do, how serious they will be.
29 Questions 4-7 are permitted.