I'll read from the transcript and we'll make sure that this is absolutely clear for you, all right [name of complainant]? - - - Okay.
I'm asking you about the answers you gave yesterday, all right? - - - Okay.
I asked you, 'Now I'm just asking you about' - this is a question that I'd asked you. 'I'm just asking you about whether those words were the words that you said to Ms Abrahams or not.' Sorry, I'll just go back up. I've got a bit further forward. I put this to you. 'You stated these words to Ms Abrahams, "I lied to the cops. Jack did not bash me and he tried to protect me."' Now I asked you that question yesterday didn't I? - - - Yes.
Yes and the prosecutor corrected what I'd said in the question and it was, 'he just tried to protect me.' You had the prosecutor make that amendment to my question yesterday? - - - Yes.
I put this question to you, 'now those are words and I'm just asking you about whether the words he said to Ms Abrahams or not' ― I asked you that question yesterday? - - - Yes.
And your response was, 'No I didn't say that to her.' Those were the words you said yesterday? - - - Yes.
We can take from that can't we [name of complainant] that I put to you exactly the same question yesterday and yesterday you stated that you didn't say those words to Ms Abrahams. That's right isn't it? - - - Yes.
Today you say you did say those words to Ms Abrahams? - - - Um, I'm just trying to think - - -
I'm just asking you about the difference now [name of complainant].
His Honour: Just let the witness think. Do you understand what's been put to you? --- Yes. Um, I'm pretty sure I did say that to her. Um about Jack Potter.
[Counsel]: So when you said yesterday that you didn't say those words to Michaela Abrahams, that was wrong. That's right isn't it? --- Yes_._
His Honour: That's not my recollection. I might be wrong to but that's why ― I haven't got the transcript in front of me. Can you print the transcript out me, those last couple of pages? My notes are that she did speak to Michaela and told him, 'I did not bash him to protect her.' That's my notes. I don't know whether it's necessarily helping the jury to be quite blunt, but anyway. It's hard enough to understand background when you're going over two lots of transcript with a young girl as to what she said yesterday, over the same material. It's somewhat difficult but we'll try and get through it. Just the cross-examination from ― all right.
[Counsel]: Yes, yes. Perhaps just do it in order so that she understands, [defence counsel].
[Counsel]: I'll take you back a bit then. Yes, Your Honour. (To witness) I'll take you back a bit, miss [name of complainant].
His Honour: Well, look, if you do it from today, that's probably the easiest way isn't it? (To witness) Today, you've told the jury that when you spoke to Michaela Abrahams, you said to her 'I lied to the cops. Jack did not bash me, he was trying to protect me.' Right? - - - Yep.
Now, it's being put to by [defence counsel] that yesterday, when you were asked about that, you said that you didn't tell Michaela that? - - - Um.
What's the position? - - - Well, how can I say ― um, I did say that in the first lot but then ― oh, wait. Yet, no. I've always said that, that he was always - - -
Always said what? - - - Um, that he was just ― he didn't bash me, he was just trying to protect me.
And did you say that to Michaela? - - - Yes.
Right. Now, what you're being asked now is yesterday, you gave evidence that you didn't say that to her? - - - I was confused.
So you're saying that you'd always said that it to her ― the Department ― that he didn't hit you and that you had lied to the police? - - - Yes.
Yes. That probably clarifies it, doesn't it?