"4.1 at approximately 11.14am or thereabouts:
Paul Murray: 'Okay. That's Kate Moir and for the people
at The Sunday Times I didn't seek Kate Moir's interview today. She came to us and if you want to respond to it, you know where I am, you know the number 9221 1233. I know it's the day off for many people at The Sunday Times today but if someone from the management or the hierarchy there wants to respond to what Kate Moir said, give us a call. There's 45 minutes left on the show. I'd love to hear from you.'
Paul Murray: 'You're with Paul Murray on 882 6PR. 14
past 11.'
4.2 at approximately 11.50am or thereabouts:
Paul Murray: 'Just after 11 o'clock this morning I had on
the program Kate Moir. Kate Moir featured on page 1 of The Sunday Times this week. The story is headed "Birnie's Victim Breaks Silence" and she rang into the program and I asked Kate Moir why she had broken her silence and this is what she said:
Plaintiff 'I didn't. This is what exactly what I am
trying to get at. On Friday morning I was on your program with Adrian and Basil.
Paul Murray: Yeah.
Plaintiff. I was talking about crime in Northbridge.
Because they are the first people I met in 8 months to do with the media who allowed me to speak about things that matter rather than just treat me like the victim of the Birnies. I have spent 15 years establishing to the general public that I am not the victim of the Birnies but the survivor. And in one foul swoop Gary Adshead against express instructions he was never given permission ever to mention anything about the Birnies by me has gone and sensationalised this so as to beat the fact that I am talking on Channel 7 on Monday night. But the reason I was talking to Channel 7 on Monday night is because we don't even talk about the Birnies. We talked about the fact that the media and everybody had lost the plot. Now under section 36(C)(6) you cannot reveal the identity of the sex attack victim without their express consent.
Paul Murray: That's the Criminal Code?
Plaintiff. Correct. So they've committed a contempt of Court. Secondly the reason they have photos of my boyfriend and I outside of our business is because we have been trying to get them to do a story about violence in Northbridge. They have expressly without my consent used the story because of the sensationalist and trivial way in which ... that's a 15 year thing ... do you understand? It's like ....
Paul Murray: Yeah I certainly do.'"
Paul Murray: 'Okay that's what Kate Moir said when she
rang in. The story in question on page 1 of The Sunday Times is written by John Flint and Gary Adshead. John Flint's with me now. G'day Flinty.'
First Defendant: 'G'day Paul. How are you?'
Paul Murray: 'Very well. What have you got to say to
what Kate Moir told us this morning?'
First Defendant Interesting to hear what she has to say but
not surprising. Because she's been kicking up a little bit of a stink since the story first went to Press on Saturday night. I'm afraid to say Kate's being a little bit selective with the truth. I think she must be worried that she is not going to get her money from Channel 7. She came through, I'll tell you the story from the beginning. Basically, Kate and her boyfriend came through our front door on a busy Saturday about 6 weeks ago just before Christmas and she demanded to see a reporter. Her opening gambit was that she was prepared to tell the Birnie story if it meant getting something done about crime in Northbridge. Now we were very busy that afternoon, we were trying to put a paper to bed but myself, as Chief Reporter and Gary Adshead stopped what we were doing and spent the next 21/2 hours with Kate and her boyfriend and I can assure you that throughout that interview nothing, absolutely nothing was off the record. At the end of the interview she asked if it would be possible for us to read the story back to her after it was written. Now time was running out. We said we would read the story to her between editions. As it turned out we held the story for the first edition and I rang her as the Metro edition was being put to bed. On hearing the story read back to her she shrank back from her original position and said she only wanted a story on Northbridge. She didn't even want us to re-cap on what the Birnies did, that is not just with regard to herself but with regard for the others and it was evident and perhaps understandable that maybe she had a change of heart and she didn't want herself identified as, she puts it, the Birnie's survivor. Now, with the clock ticking away we opted to pull the story which wasn't, you know, which was creating some difficulty for us at the time but we dealt with those. We felt we did the right thing, other newspapers might not have done the same. Now, since then my colleague Gary Adshead has invested a lot of time trying to retrieve the situation, as you do. You know, you've got a good story, it's ready to go then all of a sudden it's pulled. We wanted to try and see if we could arrive at some sort of compromise. We wanted her to be happy with the end product. Now, she made encouraging noises that maybe at some tune [sic] in the future we could tell her story. So, it was with some surprise and we felt a little bit led up the garden path when we discovered on Friday that she had given a full and frank interview with Channel 7 for money. Now, if Paul you, I don't know if you've seen the Channel 7 promo which has been running since Friday night?'
Paul Murray: 'No, I haven't John.'
First Defendant: 'Its very, very explicit in the promo that it's
not about, I mean I'm sure the programme will focus on some of the issues that Kate has been hammering with regard to crime in Northbridge and, particularly, around the cultural centre precinct. But, the way they lead off into the story is all about the Birnies. It's all about the Birnies, and they used the same word almost, I think, I haven't you know, I have watched it two or three times, but I think they use the word victim as well. But, it's clear where they're coming from and we felt on Friday that we were having the rug pulled from under us. I mean, one of the things why we were originally very impressed with Kate was that she said that down the years she has resisted numerous financial offers to tell her story and she finally had a gut full with what was happening to her business and to some of the other businesses in Northbridge and she said "I wanted to tell this story for the right reasons rather than the wrong reasons. I want it to be a weapon to get things done". Now, that is a very powerful quote and we took her on her word but when she, having heard the story read back to her, as sometimes people do, you know what it's like. You interview someone and then when they see the story in the cold light of day in bold print sometimes they think, oh crikey and they shrink back from that.'
Paul Murray: 'So did she ring you between editions on Saturday night and try to have the story pulled again?'
First Defendant: 'No, what happened was that the story
never ran in the first editions. I rang her, as I had given an undertaking to do, and I read the story back to her. As soon as the Birnie word was mentioned she decided, oh no I want it to be just about the crime in Northbridge. Now, as you know Paul, as former editor of The West Australian that Northbridge is regularly touched on in newspapers and also by the electronic media and I mean, it is just coincidental that this weekend we have got a page 4 story on some of the major issues that are ongoing in Northbridge and we have got a two page spread also in the paper specifically about some of the crime issues in and around the cultural centre precinct. So we are not turning a blind eye to that story, not at all. But, our understanding of Kate was and again to quote her she was prepared to use what happened to her with the Birnies and her story the fact that she was the crime vic..., well I'll use her word again, crime survivor then but she is a crime victim still. She wanted to use it as a weapon to get things done.'
Paul Murray: 'Okay, John we're going to have to leave it
there. Thanks very much for calling and letting us know about that.'"