(7) A person may not appeal to the Court of Criminal Appeal under this section against an interlocutory judgment or order if the person has instituted an appeal against the interlocutory judgment or order to the Supreme Court under Part 5 of the Crimes (Local Courts Appeal and Review) Act 2001 .
6 One requirement for an appeal under s.5F is that there be an interlocutory judgment or order, and plainly there is a real question in this case whether there is such a judgment or order.
7 There is no bright line for discriminating between judgments or orders on the one hand, and rulings which do not constitute judgments or orders on the other: see Lethlean v R (1995) 83 ACrimR 197, R v. Bozatsis and R v. Spanakakis (1997) 97 ACrimR 296. At p.303 in the report of Bozatsis and Spanakakis, Gleeson CJ stated that, in order to constitute a judgment or order, even an interlocutory judgment or order, there must be a measure of finality so that it requires a decision of an appellate Court to reverse it.
8 In my opinion there is nothing of that nature here. The Crown has submitted that the first two sentences in the passage from the trial judge's reasons that I have quoted, were final rulings which were the basis of procedural orders which the trial judge made, including orders adjourning the proceedings. However, there is no challenge made to those procedural orders and, in my opinion, the sentences referred to are in substance reasons rather than being themselves judgments or orders.
9 I would add that, if what occurred were to be treated as a determination to direct a verdict of acquittal in certain circumstances, it would be necessary for the Crown to distinguish the case of R v Cheng (1999) 48 NSWLR 616. In so far as that case was decided on the basis of the principle against double jeopardy, it may be that that case could be distinguished, because the indication that a direction of acquittal would be made occurred in that case after the end of the Crown case when the accused had already faced a substantial trial before a jury. That is not the situation here. However, it appears that another basis on which Cheng was decided was that there was no judgment or order actually made, and also that the judgment or order under contemplation, that is the direction of a verdict of acquittal, would amount to a final order, not an interlocutory order.
10 In any event, as I have said, in my opinion there was in this case no judgment or order; and for that reason it seems to me that the appeal must be dismissed as incompetent.
11 I would add two things.
12 I do not think this means there is no possibility of a remedy in this sort of situation. Although it is undesirable that the Supreme Court intervene in criminal proceedings by way of declaratory relief or prerogative relief, that is a possibility that is open and, in some circumstances, the Court may be prepared to intervene if there is a clear question of law which, without the Court's intervention, might result in an inappropriate direction of acquittal.
13 The other matter I would mention concerns the merits of the question that has been raised. In my opinion, since the matter has been debated, it is not inappropriate for this Court to express a view on the matter.
14 The Crown has informed us that there has been an amendment to the relevant provisions of the Crimes Act; but it appears that the amendment is not retrospective, so this case will continue to be governed by the previous law. The case of Hardman, as I understand it, is the subject of an application for special leave to appeal to the High Court. I do not think it would be appropriate, in making these passing comments to express any view as to the correctness of that decision. Any comments that this Court makes should be on the basis that Hardman is correct.
15 However, it seems to me that that decision does not govern this case. The offence charged in this case, of discharging a firearm in or near a public place is, in my opinion, a single offence, so that there is no duplicity in the Crown bringing a charge in those terms; and the charge would be proved if the jury is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that a firearm was discharged, either in or near a public place, without the necessity of determining which of the two it was. If a firearm is discharged through the open window of a car, it may be arguable that it is no longer insulated from a public place in the way that supported the decision in Hardman, that the possession of a loaded firearm inside a motor vehicle on a public road did not constitute possession of a firearm in a public place. However, if Hardman is not distinguishable on that basis, then it seems to me that the discharge of a firearm through the window of a car, which is itself in a public place, must be considered a discharge of a firearm near a public place; and I do not see any difficulty with that conclusion arising from the fact that the car itself is in a public place.
16 However, for the reasons I have indicated, in my opinion, the appeal should be dismissed as incompetent.
17 HULME J: I agree with the order proposed and the reasons of the presiding judge.
18 HIDDEN J: I also agree.
19 HODGSON JA: The appeal is dismissed.
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