A. That's correct.
Q. It attaches your liability renewal terms?
A. It does, yep.
Q. That's Mr Sommer's signature, is it, on page 667?
A. That's, that's correct.
Q. You'll see that there's a heading on page 668, Major Exclusions?
A. Correct, yep.
Q. You'll see that the first of those is a playground exclusion; the second is a participant's exclusion; over the page, the third is a deliberate acts exclusion; and the fourth is a nightclubs and/or nightclub activities as described below. Do you see that?
A. Yep.
Q. Have you looked at this document recently?
A. Not recently, no.
Q. You see that it starts off by saying, "A licensed hotel or motel, licensed as such by the appropriate state licensing laws," et cetera. Do you see that?
A. Yes, I see that.
Q. Then it goes on to say, "And any insured hotel or motel may, from time to time, provide live entertainment and/or dancing"?
A. Yes, I see that.
Q. Then it has a proviso, "However, if this activity is undertaken," and then there's an items 1 to 5 and then 6 says, "Then such activities are specifically excluded under this policy." Take as long as you need to read it.
A. Yep, sorry, can you say - are we going to the points underneath?
Q. I just want to give you a chance to read it first, I want you to read from the words "Any insured hotel" down to the end of item 6, can you do that please? Tell me when you're finished.
A. Yep. Okay, I've completed that, yeah.
Q. Okay. You understand that the document that you're sending to the insured is identifying first that a hotel or motel may from time to time provide live entertainment and/dancing, do you agree?
A. Agree.
Q. Secondly, that if that activity is undertaken, and then in any of the circumstances in 1 to 5, then such activities are specifically excluded under the policy in item 6?
A. Can you just ask that--
Q. Yes, yes.
A. Yep.
Q. You see that the renewal terms say that:
"If the activity, that is live entertainment and/or dancing, is undertaken, one, away from the insured's premises; two, via a separate entrance available to the general public outside of the internal boundaries of the insured's premises; or three, as a nightclub or is marketed as such or is signed or termed as a nightclub; or four, and operates within the normal licensing hours operated by the hotel or motel; or with a separate entrance fee charged to the general public for such activities and it is available without entering the insured's main premises, then such activities are specifically excluded under this policy."
Do you see that?
A. Yep, I see that.
Q. Then you see underneath that, "Underwriters may agree not to exclude such activities listed above, provided full details are submitted to them and an additional premium, if any, is paid to cover these activities." Do you see that?
A. Yep, I see that, yep.
Q. You, in writing this document, and sending it to the insured are representing to the insured that underwriters may agree not to exclude the items in 1 to 5, aren't you?
A. The words "may agree" stand out.
Q. The answer to my question is yes, isn't it? Should I put it to you again?
A. No, no, like I answered your previous question, in relation to the exclusion in the wording, I think what you're referring to is nearly exactly the same wording. My answer was "may agree".
Q. But it is clear that you are indicating, on behalf of ASR that underwriters may agree not to exclude such activities listed above, that's what you're saying, isn't it?
A. Yeah, they may, they may agree.
Q. Yes and of course you don't know whether or not they'll agree unless you ask them, do you?
A. Yeah, you ask them, yeah.
Q. So you sent this document, but it was authorized to be sent by Mr Nathan Sommer, wasn't it?
A. That's correct, yep.
Q. You'll see him signing it on page 669, but then putting a handwritten signature probably against the initials or the amendments that are on page 667, would you agree?
A. Agree, yep. [5]
- Mr Lawson agreed that renewals that were outside the matrix range had to be referred to London, based on what the Underwriting Matrix specified:
Q. What you put in your affidavit was the true position in that respect, I suggest. If the risk described in an application for insurance goes outside the matrix range the underwriter at ASR is required to refer the risk to the syndicate for special consideration. That was the requirement that you swore to, wasn't it?
A. That's what is in the - that, that is correct. That's what's in that paragraph. [6]
And further:
Q. Can we go over and see what follows that, please? Can we just look at the structure of this to start with? Perhaps you'll need to go back to the previous page again. There's a heading, "Declinatures" and then there's various items referred to under that?
A. Yep.
Q. Then there's another heading, "Referral to insurers before binding," do you see that?