After making reference to the possible basis of liability he added -
"The other difficulty I see in any arrangements that you are proposing, is who are you going to sue? Lend Lease Corporation simply is not liable on any view."
9 Mr Garling then replied that Mr McClellan or, more precisely, his client should consider three matters. The first of them was the possibility that a subsidiary company (called KT1) of LLC which had since been wound up should be restored to the register, to which Mr McClellan responded in effect that that had nothing to do with Lend Lease. Mr Garling then said that the individuals allegedly responsible for the installation could be sued, and LLC would then need to consider whether or not it would "abandon them", pointing out that he did not think that "Lend Lease will want to be seen from an employee policy point of view as not meeting any liability of those individuals".
10 There was a third matter relating to what might be in the commercial interests of LLC, which it is unnecessary for me to set out here but which is contained in a confidential exhibit marked GAM1. I think it fair to say, however, that this consideration was an obvious one that any commercial enterprise involved in substantial litigation would need to consider.
11 As I have mentioned, in February 2002 cross-claims were filed against the parties mentioned in the conversation between Mr Garling SC and Mr McClellan. To very briefly summarise the cross-claim, the State interests sue LLC and the cross-defendants for negligence. LLC's liability arises from the allegation, in substance, that the cross-defendants, who are said to be directly negligent, were the agents of LLC through its subsidiary KT1 which, it is alleged, was also LLC's agent.
12 The parties are agreed that I should consider this matter in the context of the allegations in the statement of cross-claim. For present purposes, I do not think it significant that KT1 is interposed in the sequence of liability between LLC and the cross-defendants. The unmistakable case made in the cross-claim is that the State interests are entitled to judgment against the cross-defendants for their own alleged negligence in respect of which LLC is jointly liable one way or another.
13 The case for the cross-defendants is that the real motive for joining the cross-defendants in the litigation is to force LLC's hands because there is no real or substantial case capable of being proved against LLC. Mr Hammerschlag SC for the cross-defendants, did not seek to establish, apart from mere assertion, that there was no liability in LLC although he appeared to suggest that the terms of the conversation between Messrs McClellan and Garling indicated that was the case since the latter did not positively state that LLC was believed to be liable nor did he contradict Mr McClellan 's assertion that LLC was not liable. Alternatively, (though I am not quite sure that Mr Hammerschlag SC for the cross-defendants articulated the argument in quite this way) the cross-defendants were joined so that, if the case against LLC failed, it would nevertheless be morally bound to indemnify the cross-defendants to avoid embarrassment and possible public obloquy.
14 The cross-defendants put at the forefront of their case the conversation between Mr Garling SC and Mr McClellan which I have outlined above. Objection was taken at the outset by Mr Maconachie QC, for the Government interests, that the evidence of Mr McClellan as to this conversation could not be adduced having regard to the provisions of s 131 of the Evidence Act 1995. The conversation was tendered on the voir dire for the purpose of my considering whether, indeed, it amounted to a communication within the meaning of s 131 (1)(a) of the Act.
15 It was submitted by the cross-defendants that the conversation demonstrated, together with other evidence as to the financial means of the cross-defendants, that the proceedings against them were an abuse of process designed to force LLC's hand.
16 I think it is reasonable to infer that Mr Garling SC was acting on instructions for the State interests but I do not consider that I should infer that he either sought or was given instructions to put the precise matters which he did in the conversation to Mr McClellan. The reality of negotiations in cases of this kind is that on some occasions a client will have given specific instructions on a negotiating stance whilst in others the client will leave those matters to counsel entrusted with the brief. There is no evidence one way or another about this matter and I would not think it right or fair to infer that Mr Garling was doing any more than putting to Mr McClellan possibilities which were evident or, indeed, self-evident in the context of this litigation. That he confined himself to what I may describe as commercial and tactical considerations is not surprising. There would be scarcely any point in his giving Mr McClellan a lecture on the law of negligence. I do not think that I should infer that he accepted as accurately reflecting the legal position Mr McClellan's brushing aside of the possibility of LLC's liability. The uncertain character of vicarious and principal/agency liability in the law of negligence makes it difficult to predict with a comfortable degree of certainty in many cases whether someone alleged to be a principal will be liable for the negligence of the alleged agent. Where the corporate veil is an added factor the difficulties are increased, although it by no means concludes the matter. I would not read, therefore, Mr Garling's omitting to have a legal argument with Mr McClellan as an acceptance of Mr McClellan's perhaps rash or at least optimistic assertion about the risk to LLC, let alone as justifying the inference that he did not think there was an arguable case against LLC. There may have been good reasons, furthermore, why Mr Garling would not wish to give an advice on evidence to LLC and to explain in detail the way in which it was hoped to make it liable in the circumstances.
17 The cross-defendants have not argued, nor could they, that LLC had, in fact, no risk of an adverse judgment, although this appeared to be what was initially being submitted on their behalf. Rather, they submitted that they were only brought along to put pressure on LLC to settle or, in the event of a verdict against the cross-defendants but favourable to Lend Lease, to put pressure on Lend Lease to pay the verdict.
18 What is disclosed above of the conversation between Mr Garling and Mr McClellan is enough to demonstrate that indeed it was "an attempt to negotiate a settlement of the dispute" within the meaning of s 131 (1)(a). Unless the evidence comes within one of the exceptions in s 131 (2) it is not to be adduced.
19 To determine this matter it is necessary to briefly refer to the course of evidence before me. Mr McClellan's affidavit was read on the voir dire. It is obvious that there must be an evidentiary basis to permit the application of s 131 to be determined. In reply, and tendered only on the voir dire, was an affidavit of Mr Garling. However, most of what he said about the conversation in question was not read. What was read of that conversation was the following:
"I want to explore with you the question of whether your client and the Government can reach an agreement either for the resolution of these claims or alternatively on a method by which they can proceed which will avoid a lengthy argument in Court about the geotechnical issues which occupied a lot of the Coroner's time. It seems to me, that since Lend Lease is the principal party concerned with defending the construction and installation of the water main, and the Government is the principal party concerned with propounding that as the cause of the landslide, if some arrangement can be reached between us it is unlikely that these issues would need to be litigated."
20 It will be seen that there is some difference between the deponents as to the precise language used but I do not need to determine this question for present purposes. This is especially so since I consider that, in substance, Mr McClellan's affidavit does not differ from the part of Mr Garling's affidavit which was read.
21 Mr Hammerschlag SC submits that the State interests, having tendered that part of Mr Garling's affidavit, have consented, either expressly or impliedly, to the disclosure of that material for the purpose of the substantive hearing and that Mr McClellan's evidence as to the balance of the conversation is admissible under s 131(1)(2)(g) because, without it, Mr Garling's evidence, self-evidently incomplete, would be likely to mislead the Court.
22 This argument must be rejected. The material was tendered on the voir dire in circumstances where there was no public disclosure and it being clearly understood that confidentiality orders would be made in respect of the material. If Mr Hammerschlag's submission were made good the contradictor would never be able to litigate an issue under s 131, except on the terms of the person seeking to adduce the evidence. I consider that s 131(2)(g) refers to evidence adduced in the substantive proceedings, not just on the voir dire and the disclosure to which s 131(2)(b) refers is a disclosure other than on the voir dire but in circumstances which make it unnecessary or (possibly) unfair to maintain the confidentiality which the section is designed to protect.
23 More substantively reliance is played on s 131(2)(k) which is in the following terms.
"(2)(k) [The privilege does not apply where ] one of the persons in dispute, or an employee or agent of such a person, knew or ought reasonably to have known that the communication was made, or the document was prepared, in furtherance of a deliberate abuse of power."
24 There is no evidence before me that permits the conclusion that Mr Garling was acting "in furtherance of a deliberate abuse of power". I have already said that there is no reason to think that Mr Garling was acting otherwise than in terms of a general retainer, as distinct from at the instance of particular instructions. I note in this regard that in Idoport Pty Limited v National Australia Bank Limited (unreported, 2 April 2001 NSWSC, Hodgson CJ in Eq) his Honour, considering the phrase "a deliberate abuse of a power" in s 125(1)(b) of the Act said:
"That phrase must have the same meaning in s 131(2)(k). A deliberate abuse of power is not alleged in this case except insofar as an abuse of process might fall within that description."