"MR HANDCOCK: Sir, can I make just one very brief submission, partly to assist Mr Mann?
HIS WORSHIP: Yes.
MR HANDCOCK: It's my submission that the onus switches, in these circumstances. It's an underlying principle of law that, in relation to non-conforming use, the party who makes the claim proves the claim, but in any event, I have drafted the complaints to effectively negatively aver the section - - or part six of the scheme, which is to negatively aver the non-conforming use provisions, and I then rely on the impact of section 72 of the Justices Act, which effectively says if you negative an exception proviso exemption, then the onus falls on the defendant to adduce the evidence, so it's my submission that Mr Mann - - that is the submission I make - and I'll make it in written submission form - but Mr Mann - - in my submission, it would be fair to him if he understood that that is one of the key planks - -
HIS WORSHIP: Yes. Well, the onus, on balance, is - - if you're going to allege non-conforming use - - I mean, in relation to the zoning issue, obviously, that onus is on the prosecution. In relation to the non-conforming use, if you're going to allege that, then it's not sufficient to say 'Well, we allege non-conforming use, and then the prosecution have to prove it is'. If you're going to allege non-conforming use, then you have to establish, on balance, that there is non-conforming use, and you do that - - all I'm saying to you is, when you make your submissions, you have to concentrate on that issue ... (indistinct) ... saying 'Well, what factors can the court rely on to conclude that there is non-conforming use in relation' - - in other words, ongoing usage, as it was originally used before the scheme came into operation. Do you understand that, Mr Mann?"