HIS HONOUR: It's a self-induced drug condition though, isn't it? Whatever he does, whatever he takes, and if he takes a handful of Xanax, apparently, that puts him into a condition where he's in a rage, he's angry, he's whatever, that's all self-induced and as such it's no excuse, no nothing. It's not a mitigating factor if you do it yourself. There's plenty of authorities to that point (indistinct).
MS TODD: There is also authority in my submission, Your Honour, that - of the self-medicating version where this addiction, this very difficult drug history, is on top of what is clearly an undiagnosed depressive disorder from a very young age.
HIS HONOUR: This is where we're getting into the very stuff that Mr Ellwood wants to cross-examine about, isn't it?
MS TODD: Maybe - - -
HIS HONOUR: The suggestion of - - -
MS TODD: It's the which came first question.
HIS HONOUR: Well, no, it's not even that, it's the - he's got an underlying depressive illness, he's socially isolated as a kid and he starts using drugs, he becomes more socially isolated, he realises that his prospects in the Family Court are grim if he's a heroin addict so he tries to fix it, but then he - the self-induced state that he puts himself in by abusing prescription medication and goes around and does this.