20 The crux of Mr Kable's complaint is that he submits that such a lie as that allegedly told by the appellant cannot be used by the jury as evidence of the appellant's guilt unless they are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that it was told out of a consciousness of guilt of the crime charged and that if this does not present an insurmountable logical obstacle, the jury were given no assistance from the learned trial judge as to how they should embark upon a consideration of such a finding. Prior to Chamberlain v The Queen (No 2) [1984] HCA 7; (1984) 153 CLR 521, the authorities do not seem to directly address the standard of proof required for a finding that the lie proceeded from a consciousness of guilt before any weight could be given to it at all. In the passage I have cited from Broadhurst v The Queen (supra), at p457, Lord Devlin spoke of the accused's untruthfulness in certain circumstances being a factor which the jury can properly take into account as strengthening the inference of guilt, but said, "What strength it adds depends, of course, on all the circumstances and especially on whether there are reasons other than guilt that might account for untruthfulness." He did not say that if there were possible reasons for the lie other than guilt the lie could have no value at all. What he said does not preclude a jury which accepts the possibility of there being some innocent reason for the lie nonetheless determining that guilt is more probably the explanation and taking that forward to a final analysis of whether they are satisfied of guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This does not seem to me to be essentially different from adding into the final analysis a finding that a disputed statement capable of an incriminatory interpretation was probably made, and if made, probably intended as a statement against interest, although the jury might not be able, at the end of the day, to exclude all reasonable doubt about either the fact that it had been made or the proposition that its proper interpretation is an incriminatory one.