39 Mr Hartenstein was tested as to the condition of the dishwasher and water on the kitchen floor, including the presence of water in creating a slip hazard. I have to say his answers were unsatisfactory as being evasive, unnecessarily cautious, overly conditional, pedantic and contrary to ordinary common sense, but where he eventually agreed that water was on the floor very frequently, particularly after every dishwashing cycle. For instance, this evidence was given:
Q. You were responsible, may I take it, for the maintenance of equipment in the kitchen?
A. Yes.
Q. The dishwasher in the kitchen used to leak, didn't it?
A. I can't say no to that but I would like to clarify that.
Q. Then is your answer yes but you would like to qualify the answer?
A. Yes.
Q. How would you like to qualify the answer?
A. At times there would have been hose leaks, example - for example, around the dishwasher but they would have been corrected by maintenance as soon as they were reported.
Q. On occasions that the dishwasher leaked the kitchen floor became wet, did it not?
A. Not necessarily.
Q. Now, sir, do you really say that?
A. Yes I could say that, certainly, sir, because underneath the bench area may have become wet but not the actual floor.
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(shown coloured photographs of kitchen area.)
Q. They are photographs of the tiled floor in the kitchen?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You will agree the floor appears to be wet?
A. There is reflection there, yes, sir.
Q. Will you agree appears to be wet?
A. It's either wet or very clean, sir.
Q. Now, sir, won't you agree it's wet?
A. I can't agree that it is wet because I cant see the edge of the wet area, sir.
Q. Will you agree that the condition of the floor as shown in the photographs is how it usually was?
A. No, sir.
Q. How do you say it usually was?
A. Well, in this one you can see that this one is wet. The photograph you're showing me here I cannot see the edge of the water…
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Q. Will you not agree that the floor was usually wet?
A. No, sir.
Q. Was it ever that wet?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In what circumstances?
A. When they were using - doing the washing sir.
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Q. Is it the fact that when the dishwasher was used - at the conclusion of the use of the dishwasher, the floor would be wet?
A. Yes.
Q. And when the floor was wet in those circumstances, was it in a similar condition to what is shown in exhibit C2?
A. I cannot say that, down further in this area it may be - I can't - this area up here, I cannot say that that would have been that wet.
Q. In relation to the answer you've just given is what you're saying that in the vicinity of the dishwasher…
A. Yes.
Q. …when it was used - at the conclusion of the use of the dishwasher the floor would be wet in the vicinity of the dishwasher as is shown - to the same extent as is shown in exhibit C2, but in you belief in the vicinity of the dishwasher?
A. Yes, sir.
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Q. Anyhow on every occasion that it was used at the end of the dishwashing cycle the floor, certainly in the vicinity of the dishwasher was wet?
A. On a full cycle of washing, yes sir.
Q. Of course the tiles shown in exhibit C are non-slip tiles, aren't they?
A. Can you describe that more for me please sir?
Q. They were not special tiles designed?
A. They were special tiles.
Q. And they were slippery when wet?
A. I'm uncertain of that, sir. I never slipped on them.
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Q. Why did you put them (mats) down if it wasn't because the floor was slippery?
A. It was requested sir.
Q. Was it requested that they'd be provided because the floor was slippery?
A. Not on all occasions sir.
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Q. The floor that is shown in exhibit C was replaced, wasn't it
A. Yes sir.