Mr McKenzie, this was on the evening of 18 May, the evening before the meeting of the South-West Regional Planning Committee. Clearly you knew that Mr Fewer was on that committee?---Now that I read this there's parts of that - not all of that conversation I can recall but there are parts of it I do recall and it would certainly appear from that that, yes, I did.
And that you were worried about this matter going before the committee the following day and you were contacting Mr Burke in the hope that something could be done about that?---That would have been the purpose, yes.
Yes, and indeed it was you that suggested to Mr Burke that Mr Frewer might be a person that could be contacted?---That had been suggested to me by others that - yes.
Who?---I can't recall who it was.
You can see that during the course of that call Mr Burke in fact left you on the phone, contacted Mr Frewer and spoke to him?---That's correct, yes.
And then gave you some assurance after that call that Mr Frewer would, as he said 'sort it out' he thought?---Yes, whatever that meant.
Yes, but you were comforted by that?---I don't recall if I was comfortable or - - -
You also said at page 795, line 49, 'Did you ever discuss Mr Frewer being on that committee with anyone?' and you said, 'Not that I recall, no.' Why did you say that?---Quite simply, I don't - I didn't recall.