(c) the quality of the software of Star Systems Pty Ltd or GBST Pty Ltd."
28 The defendants by notice of motion filed on 15 October 2001 seek an order setting aside this notice to produce.
29 The defendants rely upon paragraphs 100 and 130 of exhibit P14 and upon paragraphs 76 and 77 of exhibit P15, these being statements of Mr Martin read in the main proceedings.
30 The plaintiffs rely upon certain pages of the transcript of examination of Mr Martin in the main proceedings namely pages 9846-9851, 9854, 12907-12911 and 13324, where Mr Smith explained a line of cross-examination and proceeded to cross-examine - the issue being the competence and track record of the development team of which Star Systems was an important member.
31 The plaintiffs' further tendered paragraphs 57, 57A and the table 1 pages 26 to 30 and the commentary running up to page 37 from Mr Martin's statement exhibit P20.
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33 The defendants' submissions are in the following terms:
"1. The Plaintiffs have filed a notice to produce dated 5 October 2001 and numbered 12/2001 seeking access to documents of the First and Fourth Defendants dealing in substance with the competence of GBST (formerly Star Systems) and the quality of software that it has produced ("the GBST Notice to Produce").
2. The Defendants seek to set aside the GBST Notice to Produce on the ground that it is oppressive, principally because it requires production of documents which could not rationally affect the assessment of the probability of the existence of a fact in issue in the proceedings.
3. The GBST Notice to Produce is expressed in very broad terms, particular in view of the size of the First Defendant and the use of the term "or relating to" which arguably would extend the scope of the Notice to Produce to nearly any document in the possession, custody or control of the Bank or AUSMAQ:
(a) written by GBST;
(b) otherwise provided by GBST to the Bank or AUSMAQ; or
(c) in which reference is made to any work undertaken by GBST
4. Further, such documents, unless they were concerned with:
(a) GBST's development of the Instaclear system prior to the Bank's acquisition of AUSMAQ;
(b) work undertaken by GBST in connection with the work undertaken in relation to the New Zealand customisation in early 1997; or
(c) the assessment undertaken by AUSMAQ or the Bank of any additional work that it may have been proposed that GBST undertake in relation to AUSMAQ.
could not be relevant.
5. It would not be possible to draw any probative inference as to GBST's capability to undertake any AUSMAQ software development, without at least:
(a) a detailed appreciation of the project or activity in respect of which the comment was made; and
(b) an analysis of the extent to which that project or activity had any similarity to the nature of any work that GBST undertook or it was proposed it undertake in relation to the AUSMAQ System.
6. By way of illustration, in the absence of the information described in paragraph 5 above, if bank office A wrote a note to the effect that GBST's work on project X fell short of his or her expectations, such remark or observation would not have any probative value to the issue of GBST's capability to undertake any AUSMAQ software development."
34 Mr Halley who addressed on this matter on behalf of the defendants submitted that the question of the competence of Star Systems upon proper analysis was simply a potential subset of the principal issue going to the relevance of Star Systems, namely Mr Martin's identification of Star Systems as being part of the development team which on his evidence would have been instrumental in completing the development for commercialisation of the Ausmaq Service. Mr Halley referred inter alia to Mr Martin's evidence referring to the creation by Ausmaq of an effective team that could achieve sustained and acceptable productivity, which team comprised the key consultants who included Star Systems. Mr Martin had referred in his evidence to estimates based on the known characteristics and performance of typical Progress programmers who had been used at Ausmaq and to the typical performance of Star Systems consultants who had been used at Ausmaq. Hence Mr Halley's submission was that the issue was whether the particular team identified by Mr Martin would have been able to achieve the type of productivity suggested by Mr Martin-the issue going to the critical nature of the relationship between members of that team, their ability to co-operate, their ability to work effectively, their ability to identify requirements and then write software to meet those requirements being an issue squarely addressed by the expert evidence from both parties.
35 Mr Halley made the point that in relation to notice to produce 12/2001, the first two lines were silent as to who was the author of the documents sought. Hence, if for example, the NAB had within its position custody or control an internal record of Star Systems dealing with Star Systems competence this would be covered. Likewise with any documents held by NAB, but obtained from a third party.
36 The next objection to the notice to produce related to its broad terms - for example the terms of the notice would pick up any specifications which may have been provided by Star Systems to NAB .
37 The third point made by Mr Halley was as to the relevance of any assessment of Star Systems undertaken by a third party or by the NAB outside of the context of the Ausmaq System. The submission was that a host of subset issues could be raised because one would have to analyse in great detail the requirements for any particular project in which Star Systems had been involved in order to be in a position, even remotely, to extrapolate from documents produced in relation to the competence of Star Systems as demonstrated in relation to that project over to the competence of Star Systems to carry out work which may have been necessary to be carried out in relation to Ausmaq and the development of software for Ausmaq.
38 The plaintiffs' submissions are in the following terms:
"1. This is the outline of submissions on behalf of the First Plaintiff, Idoport Pty Limited, in relation to the Notice to Produce dated 5 October 2001 addressed to the First and Fourth Defendants in relation to documents created in the period February 1994 to July 1999, other than those documents already discovered by any of the Defendants, relating to the competence or capability of Star Systems Pty Limited, its expertise or a professionalism and the quality of the software of Star Systems Pty Limited.
2. The Court will recall that one of the entities mentioned in the 1996/1997 Business Plans of Idoport Pty Limited which were considered by the Board of Directors of NMG and Ausmaq Systems in December 1996 and January 1997 referred to the future involvement of Star Systems Pty Limited in the development of the Ausmaq System
3. There has been extensive cross-examination by Mr Smith SC, senior counsel for the Defendants, of Mr Brian Martin in relation to issues concerning Star Systems Pty Limited in an attempt to show that Star Systems' performance and work was not to the highest standard.
4. It is submitted on behalf of Idoport that any documents in the period in the Notice to Produce relating to the Defendants' perception of the competence, capability, expertise or professionalism of Star Systems or of the software prepared by Star Systems must be relevant to the issue of the ability of Star Systems to perform some or all of the development work. No doubt, senior counsel for the Defendants would only be cross-examining Mr Martin in relation to matters which the Defendants perceive to be relevant to the issues in dispute in the proceedings. In the submission of Idoport this is a powerful factor in support of the relevance of the documents referred to in the Notice to Produce.
5. An issue which has been articulated by Mr Smith SC on behalf of the Defendants is the capacity to have development work completed in relation to the Ausmaq System to permit the commercialisation of the Ausmaq System in foreign markets by mid 1998. Relevant to this issue is the ability of the JMG consultants, the Defendants and Star Systems to cause such developments to occur, with or without the assistance of third parties, by that period. To the extent that the Defendants are in possession of documents which show that they regard or they record a high standard from Star Systems, this must be relevant to this issue.
6. The Court will also recall from its consideration of admissibility in relation to Mr Martin's 25 May 2001 enhancements report, that Star Systems prepared the software for the purposes of the NAB's Margin Lending Service and indeed that NAB's Margin Lending Service system was based on Star System's SHARES software. It will be recalled that "a significant part of the Ausmaq system is [also] based on Star System's SHARES software": para 4, exhibit P2. Consequently, it cannot be said that there is no connection between NAB and Star Systems. [I interpolate to note that paragraphs 57 and 58 of Mr Martin's statementP20 do prove at least on the applications that Star Systems was the same software house in respect of preparation of the software for purposes of the NAB 's Margin Lending Service and for the Ausmaq System. Mr Martin' s evidence was that in the case of Ausmaq, the underlying SHARES system was supplied by Star Systems. In the case of Margin Lending, the underlying SHARES system was supplied by Star Systems. Much of the development of Ausmaq, especially the customisation of SHARES, and the subsequent modifications for New Zealand operations, was subcontracted to Star Systems. The proposed Margin Lending Service system was to be entirely subcontracted to Star Systems-P20 at page 31]
7. For all of the above reasons, it is submitted that the Notice to Produce dated 5 October 2001 seeks documents which are relevant to the proceedings. In the alternative, it is submitted that documents from 1 July 1996 to July 1999 would clearly be relevant to the proceedings as this time period would commence with the month of the due diligence work undertaken by NAB in relation to the acquisition of Ausmaq."
39 The general issue is of some real importance in the proceedings