McTiernan J held that if there was a duty there was no breach of it. Windeyer J thought that the grandfather owed a duty of care but had not been shown to have been in breach of that duty. At 294 Windeyer J said:
"A duty of care for a child is an obligation to take reasonable care in the existing circumstances. It is not an obligation to ensure the child's safety in any particular circumstances. In the present case a need or duty of care on the part of the appellant arose not from blood relationship or from his position in the household but from the particular situation. It was the relationship of proximity,' the facts of the occasion, which made the appellant's little granddaughter his neighbour'. Prominent among those facts was that he was not merely an onlooker as, for example, was the man with whom he was conversing. He was known to the plaintiff as the grandfather and as the man who had called her. He was aware of her presence and he knew she was aware of his."
14. Menzies J, with whom Walsh J agreed, thought that the appeal was concerned solely with questions of fact. He thought that there was both a duty of care and a breach. I do not take Menzies J to be disagreeing with the Chief Justice's statement of principles.
15. I add that in McCallion v Dodd 1966 NZLR 710 at 729 McCarthy J said
The duties which that relationship cast on the father to care for and protect the child are moral duties not enforceable by action in tort. The occasions when a child can sue his parent in tort are the result of specific situations in which the parties find themselves. In those situations the fact that the defendant is a parent may, as a matter of fact, be very material, but the relationship is not the foundation of the right of action. It is the situation which creates the enforceable duty.
16. Turning again to the suggested cross-claim:
(a) It repeats the allegations in paragraphs 3, 5, 9 and 10 of the statement of claim.