[97] Mrs Holdway admitted that she gambled at a number of venues, particularly on poker machines, and that Mr Virgona did not like the way she gambled. I infer from that evidence and from the amounts of cash withdrawals for gambling that were put to her in cross-examination that she lost substantial amounts on poker machines, both before and after Mr Virgona's death. She denied that she was a heavy gambler, but when asked had she ever been a heavy gambler responded, "Depends on what you mean by heavy, I suppose." Asked what she meant by heavy she said, "Well, I think that if you're a person that was gambling and you lost everything, that would be being a heavy gambler." She claimed that she did not gamble excessively and denied that she had a gambling problem. Asked whether, in the light of what he said to her, she thought that he felt she had a gambling problem, she answered, "Looking back, a person that doesn't gamble at all I think would feel that I had a problem". That was an evasive answer, for she had earlier asserted that Mr Virgona also gambled.