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Q. After the birth of the son, how did the marriage seem to be? Did they appear to be happy or unhappy or what did they ---
A. I think they were happy. I had no reason to question it.
Q. In the years before the collision, did you ever see him in what seemed to be a state of depression?
A. No, I don't recall.
Q. In the years before the collision, did he have mood swings, you know, from depression to happiness or from ---
A. Nothing as - I don't recall anything.
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Q. But do you have a memory of him coming back after the collision?
A. Yeah, I certainly do.
Q. To your observation, what was he like, now he has come back from the collision?
A. Probably one of the things that I really recall at that stage is the I noticed a difference in the waking up during the night screaming and yelling and the crying.
Q. Did he seem to be the same person?
A. No.
Q. What ---
A. He seemed to be very much affected, very much inside himself, and he didn't want to talk about it and it was just sort of a taboo subject. It wasn't to be discussed in any way, what happened.
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Q. And in the period after the collision, what, if anything, did you hear at night from their room?
A. I certainly heard him crying.
Q. Anything else?
A. And yelling and screaming and my sister would say, "Wake up, Brian, wake up" and trying to get him together.
Q. Could you hear her say that?
A. Yeah. And I also - the only person I ever talked about it was - I never talked about it with him. I spoke to my mother about it because she was woken up with it, too.
Q. How regular was this disturbance?
A. Well, it was pretty - it was very regular. You know, it might go on some nights nearly all night. Some nights it just started 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock in the morning. Sometimes it would be a lot earlier than that.
Q. Did you ever speak to him about these disturbances?
A. No. The only thing I spoke to him about the Melbourne was how could it happen and where he explained to me what the Melbourne and the Voyager did, what the actual exercise was, roughly.
Q. After the collision, now he is back, what did you see of their relationship? What was the quality of the husband and wife relationship?
A. I could certainly see some stress there and I could understand it, too, you know if your could hear him crying at night.
Q. What did you observe that led you to say that you could see stress between them?
A. The way they spoke to each other.
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Q. After the collision, did Brian exhibit a particular attitude towards his son James?
A. Yeah. I think he - the only way I could explain it, he seemed to have a short fuse with it. Like he didn't have much tolerance.
Q. Was he like that before the collision?
A. I certainly hadn't noticed it.
Q. And how did this short fuse show itself?
A. Well, if James did anything wrong he would be chastised to the point where - one occasion he got the belt to him.
Q. I will come back to that. Did his short fuse relate to his wife?
A. Year, there were some arguments. I could hear them arguing?
Q. What about the short fuse and your parents?
A. Yeah, there was some arguments there to - the arguments were mainly driven around the fact that - the way he was treating James.
Q. So did this culminate in a major family blow up?
A. Yes.
Q. About how old was James at this stage?
A. I think he would have been just under two. Somewhere between 18 months and two.
Q. And did Brian do something to James?
A. Yeah, he certainly belted him.
Q. Belted him with what?
A. A strap.
Q. And could you see any results of that?
A. Yeah, I saw welts on his legs.
Q. On the boy's leg?
A. Yeah.
HIS HONOUR: Q. How old was James then?
A. He would have been under two.
FARIS: Q. Was he about two?
A. He could have been two. I just can't remember.
Q. Did your parents do anything?
A. Yes, my father got very involved in it.
Q. Could you tell us what happened?
A. Actually, I don't know what the - actually started over about, but what it boiled down to --
Q. Were you there?
A. Yes.
Q. What happened?
A. Because I come out to see what the commotion was all about and there was screaming and yelling and my father was saying, "You can't do that to your son". There was a lot more said and there was a big argument, and then there was actually - there was even a gun produced.
Q. Who produced the gun?
A. Actually, trying to think back - going back on that period, I thought Brian brought the gun out, but I must say, to me, that wasn't a big issue. They were yelling and screaming at each other and my mother was going to get the police and that.
Q. Did you see a gun?
A. Yeah, I remember seeing the gun.
Q. Who had it?
A. I think Brian had it.
Q. Did he say anything, that you can remember, about the gun?
A. Well, he was telling my father to keep out of his own business.
Q. Did anybody try to stop the confrontation?
A. Yeah. We were trying to help him.
Q. Who was that?
A. My sister and my mother were both crying and I came out to assist.
Q. Is there anything that you can say that you could observe about Brian's condition during this argument?
A. I think he had been drinking.
Q. Had you ever seen him behave like this before?
A. No.
Q. I want to ask you about his drinking after the collision. He came home?
A. Yep.
Q. You said, whatever it was, three or four days after the collision. Did you observe anything about his drinking habits?
A. I see him - like he seemed to be drinking a lot more at night.
Q. How much?
A. Well, you don't actually see someone bringing in bottles of beer but - well, I'd seen him bringing in a couple of bottles of beer, you know. Sometimes it might be four, two in each hand. Like, they came in brown paper bags those days, little stubbies, 760 ml bottles - "long necks", they call them these days.
Q. What was his condition on those drinking episodes? Did he drink a lot or little or how was he?
A. If he brought four bottles home they would all be drunk that night.
Q. By whom?
A. Obviously my sister would have a glass, too, but she wouldn't be affected by it so much.
Q. Did you ever see him drunk on these days?
A. I never saw him falling down but I could see that he was certainly slurring in his speech.
Q. And had you seen him like that before the collision?
A. No.
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Q. After the collision, what was his relationship with your parents like?
A. There was certainly a breakdown there and that would have been all happening in - within six months of the collision. You could see it getting worse and worse.
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Q. What happened to the plans for building on the house the next door, that project?
A. Well, after the big blow up, the next day Dorothy and Brian and James went to Sydney and we didn't hear from them for months.
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Q. When was that? Was that about May, was it? When was James born? You said --
A. March. He was born in March. This may have been May so James would have been about two, so just under two.
44 Mr Thorne was quite firm that the big argument occurred around May 1964, when James was about two or just under. The appellant, his wife and child left the flat at Nowra and it was three or four months before there was something of a reconciliation (Black 271). Even then, there was evidence that the appellant was beating his wife (Black 271). Mr Thorne left home in 1967.
45 This pattern continued until the accidental death of the appellant's first wife in 1969.
46 Mr Thorne used to see the appellant about once a month during the later 1960s. He described him as "very much on edge because he had trouble with his work … he wasn't keeping his jobs" (Black 272). He said that the appellant was certainly drinking pretty heavily. He described an incident in which the appellant got in a car to go and get extra beer and rolled the car over (Black 272).
47 Mr Thorne's cross-examination was quite brief. He admitted that he had only been asked to think about these events within the last two or three years. He was asked general questions about what the appellant did when in the Navy and his answers were generally consistent with his evidence in chief. He said that he was unaware of any anxiety on the appellant's part prior to the collision. The only cross-examination relevant to his observation of the appellant after the collision was (Black 276):
Q. And that which you heard going on in the bedroom, you were not privy, were you, to the nature of the stress in the bedroom of your late sister and your brother-in-law in 1964?
A. No. All I was aware of, he was - when he came back, he was crying and very upset.
Q. You gave evidence about all of the things you heard in the bedroom, screaming, yelling.
A. Yeah.
Q. Crying.
A. I remember that.
Q. Stress between your sister and your brother-in-law?
A. Yeah, like I said, I could see there was tension between them. Not all the time.
Q. You were not privy to what, if anything, was the cause of the stress or the tension between them, were you?
A. No, I wasn't aware of what was causing it, no.
Q. Were you aware that Mr Hill had been at the Balmoral Naval Hospital in September and October of 1964, prior to his discharge from the navy?
A. Yeah, I knew he went to hospital, yeah.
Q. When did you know that?
A. I would have been told - I knew he had been there because that is when he got discharged from there.
Q. When did you know he was there after he was discharged?
A. Yeah, after he was discharged, yeah.
48 Ms Harvey was a receptionist at the real estate agent in St Mary's where the appellant worked. She commenced that job in about 1972. The relationship with the appellant commenced in about 1973. Cohabitation commenced in 1974.
49 Ms Harvey described the appellant at this time as "very emotionally disturbed" (Black 279).
50 Ms Harvey saw no signs of the appellant drinking at work. But after they were living together (Black 282):
He was drinking every night. Every night, and a lot. He'd actually start drinking at the office, sometimes, with the boss, and then he would continue when he got home…. [He] just kept drinking until he went to bed.