27 Before me, counsel informed the Court that what he would have submitted to the learned Magistrate, if he had been given the further opportunity, was that, in the case of large mining companies, the Court could take judicial notice of the fact that they are generally large bureaucracies which would require written applications for employment. It has been an employer's market for probably the last 10 years and may, indeed, remain so for some time. The pendulum swings sometimes, but if any conviction of this type or these types were disclosed on an application for employment, which they would almost invariably have to be, unless a spent conviction order were made, the appellant's application for employment would probably end up in the pile headed, "Not to be interviewed". It may be slightly different with an application to say a small employer in a country town or indeed even in Perth, where things are not done quite so formally and these sorts of things would certainly be explained to a prospective employer, but, when you are dealing with large mining companies and large bureaucracies, it is unrealistic to suggest that an employee could really satisfactorily explain those sorts of things to an employer. Counsel said that he would have put the submission in that form and would not have sought to have led any more formal evidence concerning the practices of large mining companies.