"MR MELLAS: An appeal against conviction was on foot, but it was abandoned in relation to those matters. So, ultimately the - although there was consideration of the time in custody at the time the matter came before the Magistrates' Court, ultimately on appeal that order was set aside and a community based order was considered to be an appropriate disposition, having regard to a range of factors. So, it would be my submission, sir, that ultimately that time that was spent in custody between 6 March 1998 and 29 June 1998, ultimately not having been considered or allocated in relation to any other offence, is time which is available to be considered for a declaration pursuant to s.18(4). In the event that the appeal against sentence were allowed to continue on that very narrow footing, the sentence in all the circumstances is appropriate, but that that time that has been spent in custody be considered. Now, obviously my friend has some arguments against that proposition occurring, or against Your Honour taking that course in relation to the time served. But what I'm indicating, sir, is that certainly what I'd seek is leave to abandon the appeal against conviction because we are in the running, although not affected by the new rules, but that Your Honour consider, having regard to the fact that the appeal against conviction is now at an end, if you allow that course to be taken, that we then turn our minds to whether or not the time that has been spent in custody is taken into account in relation to the sentence that was imposed in the Magistrates' Court. And I understand that this is a hearing de novo, and that the penalty is at large, so to speak. But that really is a - - - HIS HONOUR: I don't think I'd be prepared to give you leave to continue your appeal against sentence on a limited basis. MR MELLAS: Not so much on a limited basis, sir, because other - - - HIS HONOUR: I think if you can abandon your appeal against - - - MR MELLAS: If the appeal is abandoned, it's abandoned. HIS HONOUR: Yes. MR MELLAS: Then the appeal is struck out. HIS HONOUR: That's right. MR MELLAS: The alternative - - - HIS HONOUR: And the reason I say that is, the Full Court has recently made it clear that offences of this type will carry very heavy penalties, and in my view, it wouldn't be a matter of months I'd be sentencing him to - could be quantified in much longer periods. MR MELLAS: Yes, sir. HIS HONOUR: If you want to abandon the appeal in toto, well then, that's one thing. MR MELLAS: Yes, sir. HIS HONOUR: But I wouldn't allow you to abandon the appeal against sentence on the basis that - or leave the appeal against sentence to stand, but I tie my hands on a - to a limited way of dealing with it. MR MELLAS: I see. I thank you for that indication. It was simply that the alternative would be that if the matter is - if the appeal is abandoned in toto, then certainly the appellant has the option of taking the matter back before the magistrate who sentenced him, given that the original decision not to take into account the time served was made in error, in effect, because the magistrate made his decision based on the assumption that, Your Honour perhaps picked up on that, he was already in custody in relation to those other matters, and that the time simply wasn't available for him to consider so that he might - - - HIS HONOUR: Well, I don't know that you can go back before the magistrate. I would doubt that you can. I should think he'd be functus officio."