Evidence of Mr Hall
39 Mr Hall's evidence in chief was by way of two affidavits read in the proceeding. In the first (dated 21 February 2019) Mr Hall relevantly deposes that he sent written notice of the order made by Registrar Burns adjourning his application to set aside the Bank's bankruptcy notice until 13 December 2018 to Velos Lawyers by prepaid post, and that he had emailed copies to Mr Bragianis as a courtesy.
40 In a supplementary affidavit filed on 6 March 2019, Mr Hall relevantly deposed that he had sent an email to Mr Bragianis on 3 December 2018 advising him that stamped documents had been sent to him that day by post.
41 Mr Hall annexes a copy of that email to his supplementary affidavit as DHS-2. The email is addressed to Mr Bragianis. It is dated 3 December 2018. The time of sending is recorded as 3:19 pm. The text is brief:
Please see attached correspondence.
Original documents have been served on you today via post.
(salutations omitted.)
42 I interpolate that Mr Bragianis accepts that if Mr Hall sent that email, the address he sent it to was his.
43 Mr Hall was cross-examined as to statements he made from the bar table during the proceedings that he had done nothing different with respect to that correspondence with Velos Lawyers than he had done with other correspondence and emails he had sent to them. Mr Hall confirmed that had been what he had done.
44 He was then asked why, in that case, he had not exhibited (as he had in other instances) confirmation from Australia Post of the sending or receipt of his letter. Mr Hall's explanation was twofold.
45 First, he had not thought that he would be in "this position where [Velos Lawyers] lost the documents".
46 Second, when he had later become aware of the need to prove that he had sent the documents, he had not been able to find them. He believed they must have been packed in the course of him moving house. He was cross-examined as to that assertion:
MR COLMAN: A few moments ago, Mr Hall, you said when you were first aware that the question of the Express Post correspondence was an issue, you weren't at that point packing up your boxes; you just did not have time?---I didn't say that. I said that over the last two weeks I've been moving. However, I've been packing boxes - I was packing boxes when I was in the last hearing, the original court hearing we had in relation to Nicole's application. I was packing documents then which is when I went trying to locate the documents. However, I was unable to do it. So the only documentation I have at the moment is reprints from the - well, I had the ones that were sent to me. However, I had to reprint all my documents off the ones I've lodged through the court system.
Were you packing your boxes on 21 January 2019?---Yes. I had a whole townhouse - a three-storey townhouse to pack up when - that's my old home - - -
How far through? How far through the packing of your boxes were you on 21 February?---I would say - what are we now? We're March. I would say that most of them were packed because I had a 14 metre garage full of stuff pretty much from floor to ceiling and so that's where most of the stuff has been - - -
You received notification of - - -?---I don't see why I'm talking about my removalist and packing. Why are we basing everything around that?
You received notification of the application on 21 February. What steps do you say you took to locating your boxes, the evidence of the Express Post letters?---Well, the boxes I believe that documentation were in I had gone through because I was trying to locate all my other affidavits I had lodged. It wasn't meant to have been packed. However, I had other people assisting me and they accidentally packed those documents when they weren't meant to be packed because obviously it's a working file.
47 Mr Hall said he had contacted Australia Post to enquire if they could provide confirmation of his having sent the letter to Velos Lawyers, and its receipt by them, but that had been told that unless he had a reference number Australia Post could not assist him.
48 Mr Hall was then cross-examined as to the providence of his email dated 3 December 2018.
Yes. In your affidavit sworn in March, you exhibit what you say is an email that you sent to Mr Bragianis on 3 December 2018; yes? DHS2 - DSH2? Yes. Okay, yes.
Okay. What you do not exhibit, apart from the Express Post letter, is a copy of your Outlook Sent items file for the period to show the context in which that email was sent. You don't do that, do you? What, sorry? No, I just printed off the email.
Okay. But you did not print off a copy of the Outlook Sent items ? That's because my sent items get cleared every week and so do my Deleted. They automatically get removed.
You remove your own Sent items after a single week? Sorry.
You remove your Sent items after a single question; is that correct? Yes. Well, I'm not a law firm that requires retaining that sort of thing, so
Well then, how is it we've got a copy of an email purportedly sent by you on 3 December in an affidavit sworn in March? Because I actually save these documents under a Velos subfile.
Okay. And have you photocopied the Velos subfile to show the context in which this and other documents have been emailed? Well, no, I didn't do that because I believed that the individual emails were enough.
You know an email of this form, I submit to you, I put to you, is not evidence of the email having been sent; that is, DSH2, and, for that matter, DSH1, is not evidence, is not the best evidence, of the email having been sent. The best evidence - - -?---I'm sorry, I'm not up to knowing what the best evidence is. I did my best.
But why wouldn't you - - -?---Because - - -
Hang on. Let me just ask the question. Why wouldn't you copy your Bill Velos subfile or archived file so that his Honour can see the affidavits or documents you've sent in the context of each other? Why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't I?
Yes. Why didn't you as evidence ? Because I believed that the individual files were enough.
You know, an email in this form is capable - that is in the form of DSH - is capable of being manipulated. You understand that, don't you? Well, so is ..... Bragianis' affidavit. He has got a screen shot of his Inbox. Now, he could have deleted those emails I sent out of that Inbox.
And a perfectly valid proposition? Yes.
Did you put that in cross-examination? No, because I wasn't asked.
No, no, no. Did you put it in cross-examination to Mr Bragianis? Well, no, because I don't know what I'm doing. I'm self-acting and have got whoever you are doing - assisting them.
49 Having questioned Mr Hall as above, Mr Colman put to Mr Hall that he had made up his account:
No. What I'm suggesting to you, sir, to summarise, is you have not sent the letters that you allege you sent, and if you had you would have exhibited them, and you have not sent the emails you allege to have sent, because if you had, you would have exhibited more; what do you say about that?---No, you're incorrect.
You do admit though, don't you, that there was better evidence available to you with respect to both the letter and the email that you provided?---No, I don't. No, I don't, because I haven't done anything wrong and I sent these emails and I believe that all I was doing was confirming the email that I had sent on what particular day and that's what I've done. I've sent you the - given you the email and it has got the attachment on there as well.
And finally, my submission to you or I'm putting to you that your explanation with respect to you not having exhibited the Express Post letters is farfetched; what do you say about - - -?---It's farfetched. Well, I can - well, unless - I can - I can prove to you that I've just had a property settlement and that usually when you lead up to a property settlement you're - you're packing boxes, so - - -
It's a bit convenient though, isn't it, really, isn't it, when - - -?---Why am I - why am I being made out to be dishonest here?
It's a bit convenient, isn't it, when Mr Bragianis says he didn't get this material. You're aware he says it and you say you sent it, but you don't have the evidence of that; it's a bit convenient, isn't it?---No, it's not convenient.
50 I provided Mr Hall with an opportunity to respond, limited as re-examination. He did so as follows:
Well, I don't agree with being made to look like I'm being dishonest in terms of what evidence I provided to confirm that I did at least email the documents to the party, the other side. However, if you look at it, if I have emailed the document and sent the documents, why would I think that I would have to go overboard with providing as much, you know, evidence as possible to confirm it when I believe that the email I've provided in my affidavit is sufficient to confirm that I at least emailed the documentation. ….
They're the ones that didn't attend two hearings and I'm being made to feel dishonest and haven't done something. What am I going to achieve by that? What would I achieve by not sending these documents when I believed, because it happens when I lodge documents and when they lodge documents, I get notified [on the Commonwealth Courts Portal]. Now, I believe that they would get notified when I lodge documents too.