Plaintiff's oral evidence
60The plaintiff gave his evidence through an interpreter. As noted earlier in these reasons he repeated, whether responsively to questions asked or not, that his former wife B or the NSW Trustee had taken away his human rights and kept him as a dog. For example:
"Q. Does [P] receive any money from the NSW Trustee for providing you with accommodation?
A.INTERPRETER: They didn't pay him for long time, then they started a bit, but that is not how much I asked them to pay him for, for me staying at his place. Also they did the same thing with me. They didn't pay me for long days, for 100 days. They gave me a bit here, a bit there, and I want the interpreter to translate this: they treat me like a dog, like a dog, here and there, and I am very upset and it is hard for me."
61All of the expert witnesses were agreed that the plaintiff suffered a degree of cognitive impairment. Ms Roberts and Dr Stevans agreed that the impairment was reflected in the plaintiff's thinking in very concrete terms and having difficulty in thinking in abstract terms. That was demonstrated by his evidence. Dr Protulipac considered that the plaintiff's higher order cognitive functions appeared intact, apart from a reduction in processing speed. Dr Protulipac said that the basis for that observation was that "high order cognitive functioning associated with the function of the frontal and pre-frontal lobes are [sic] the ability to understand instructions; carry out the task as asked; [and] evaluate the outcomes of that task." (T79). Dr Roberts thought that the plaintiff does have a grasp of matters albeit at a slower rate than the ideal person, and that that did not necessarily preclude competency (T85). These opinions were formed not just on the basis of experts' consultations with the plaintiff, but also after seeing him give evidence on the second day of the hearing. (The experts were not in court when he gave evidence on the first day of the hearing.)
62Allowance must be made for the stress of giving evidence in a court and through an interpreter. Thus, the plaintiff was not able to say accurately how much money his brother P received for taking care of him, and for accommodation. He was asked how much money the NSW Trustee was paying P for providing him with accommodation. His response was $800 but he could not say whether that was for a month or for a week. He did not know if P received any other money from the NSW Trustee for taking care of him in addition to what he received for accommodation (T34). On the other hand, he had given correct information about that to Dr Stevans.
63An example of the plaintiff's inability to deal with abstract questions occurred when he was asked how he would respond if given the ability to control his own money and his brother asked to be paid more for providing accommodation for him.
64The plaintiff gave the following evidence:
"Q. If [P] asked you to pay a larger amount of money, would you be prepared to pay it for your accommodation?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes, [P] cannot ask me to pay more for accommodation at his place when [P] knows very well that I am receiving much less than I should, that I don't have it and they are giving to me a less and less money to live on. Now they gave me $350 per week, and after that, when they saw I was so upset I did have a heart attack. Then they changed their mind and they increase up to $500 per week. When they saw that I applying to go to Supreme Court, before Supreme Court then they increased to $700 per week.
HIS HONOUR
Q. If you had control of your money yourself, and if [P] asked you to pay more than $400 per week for accommodation would you be prepared to do so?
A. INTERPRETER: He doesn't need to ask me, he doesn't need the money, I just need a safe place to be and someone to protect me if need be. This is why I have my brother and his son there and money is nothing.
HIS HONOUR: I think I will ask that again.
Q. I don't think that is an answer to my question?
A. INTERPRETER: I am sorry, judge, maybe I don't understand.
Q. If you had control of your money, that is if the Protective Commissioner is out of the picture, and if [P] asked you to pay more for your accommodation, more than $400 per week, would you agree to do so?
A. INTERPRETER: Okay, can I say the truth? Honourable judge, [P] didn't need this, I asked him to come and save my life, to take me from Bateman's Bay address, he mentioned Catalina Crescent and he saved my life. He didn't need it, he come and help me.
Q. If you had control of your money, would you pay [P] whatever rent he asked?
A. INTERPRETER: My brother [P] doesn't need it. He has his bank. He doesn't need it. He is losing having me there. He works so hard to protect myself, my rights and to help to do everything. If you would see the amount of paper that we have got at home, I cannot even look at it. He works very hard to protect me. He doesn't need this.""
65I do not think that the plaintiff was trying to avoid answering the question. His difficulty was in handling the abstract question. I cannot say whether that difficulty was compounded by difficulties in translation. But the last part of the answer is a reasonable, albeit emotional, response if P has done all for the plaintiff that the plaintiff says he has.
66The plaintiff gave consistent evidence as to how he would deal with his money if allowed to manage it. He said that he would sell the houses that are in his name, buy one place where he could live near his brother P and put the rest of the money in the Commonwealth Bank. He was asked how he would determine the appropriate price to sell the properties. He gave an insightful answer that, "It's not my job. There is a valuer that I can always hire - can value the houses and then he can tell me how much they are worth. It is up to me to accept it or to decline it." He was asked how much he would be prepared to spend on a house and gave the reasonable answer "Can't say. I didn't get to that yet. I am still waiting to have what is mine." He was asked:
"Q. After you purchase the house what additional costs will you pay arising from the ownership of a house.
A.INTERPRETER: I have to pay money to the government buying the house. I have to pay for electricity, phone bills for everything that goes with the house."
67He gave the following evidence in relation to investing funds with the Commonwealth Bank:
"Q. You have said that you wish to provide the remainder of the money to the Commonwealth Bank; do you remember saying that?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes, I want to do that. I want to do so, that's my bank for 26 years, I trust that bank. That's my decision only. I want to put money there.
Q. Are you intending to deposit the money in the bank account that you presently use?
A. INTERPRETER: My account, yes.
Q. What interest are you hoping to receive on that money?
A. INTERPRETER: They know the law and by law I will get my part, my share.
Q. I might ask the question again. What interest rate are you hoping to receive on that money?
A. INTERPRETER: Don't know. I think they know, they do the right thing by law. I trust them and it's going to be all right.
Q. Would you consider alternative investments such as investing shares in the stock market?
A. INTERPRETER: I don't want to talk about it now. That's my right. I don't want to say anything now. I will make decision when I wish and how I wish when time comes.
HIS HONOUR
Q. ..., I have to decide whether you're capable of managing your own affairs. It is relevant for me to know how you might invest the money that's yours if you are given control of it. Could you answer the question that was asked please?
A. INTERPRETER: I'm going to do investments. I want my money to grow, not to go down as so far.
Q. The question you were asked was whether you would consider investing in shares in the stock market?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes, I will.
BALAFOUTIS
Q. How will you decide which shares to invest in?
A. INTERPRETER: I go for the highest profit, where I can get some good return. I'm going to ask my solicitor and barrister for advice.
Q. Why do you think that your solicitor and barrister are qualified to give advice on the appropriate shares to invest in the stock market?
A. INTERPRETER: I trust their opinion. They know those things."
68The plaintiff was asked whether he would lend money to P or P's son if they asked him to. Initially he said he would not. When asked to explain why not, he said because they did not need to borrow. He then said that they had saved him and if they asked him, and needed money, he would lend it. The expert witnesses were present during this part of the plaintiff's cross-examination.
69Counsel for the plaintiff asked the expert witnesses whether, if the plaintiff were of the view that the NSW Trustee has not paid to the plaintiff what the plaintiff is owed from his estate, and that other family members have alleged that P is taking advantage of the plaintiff, which is something the plaintiff strongly disputes, he might have perceived the question about an hypothetical request for an increase in rent as an attack on his brother and so accordingly avoided deliberately answering the question. Ms Roberts thought that that was unlikely, but would not exclude it as a possibility. Dr Stevans accepted that that could be the position. He gave an explanation that might also be an explanation for some of the plaintiff's other failures to answer questions responsively, highlighted perhaps by his initial refusal to answer the question extracted at [67] above as to whether he would consider investing money in shares in listed companies. Dr Stevans said that there is a term in psychiatry called "peasant culture" which refers to a kind of belief that subgroups of all nations and populations have where people have a tendency to think that the State, the police, the medical authorities and anyone in a position of power is doing things contrary to what the public or the "general person" wants to do, so that they think that the State is against them. Dr Stevans said that this was a tendency commonly seen in the prison system where prisoners believe that doctors in a prison hospital were linked with the legal system and prison system and so were suspicious and resistive of them. Dr Stevans' point was that this is a cultural factor, independent of mental capacity, and should be taken into account in attempting to assess the plaintiff's mental capacity as a result of his responses to questions.
70Dr Stevans accepted that because of the plaintiff's concreteness in thinking he would have difficulty in evaluating the sort of hypothetical issues involved in planning for the future. He pointed out that many people are not successfully managing their finances and that they go into debt and become insolvent, notwithstanding that they have the requisite capacity to manage. Dr Stevans considered that because the plaintiff acknowledged that he would turn to advice from others, either the barrister or solicitor or his brother whom he trusted, that indicated that he had the requisite capacity. Dr Stevans accepted that the plaintiff has limited cognitive ability for abstraction.