Do you remember the differences between the CSS and the PSS and the points that would have been comparison? --- As to why you would or wouldn't change schemes?
M'mm? --- Well, it was very much how you saw your future, which was a bit difficult. As a matter of fact, I was - I went on - my family, we went for a trip to the US in the middle of this campaign and I happened to run into a customs man and he found out I worked for COMSuper. I was lucky to catch the plane. But in his particular case he was single so because it was possible under the PSS to get a full benefit as a lump sum then for him it was probably attractive as I was yelling out to him as I was running up the gang plank. But for many people it was very line ball and for me personally I thought it was a pretty line ball. It wasn't - you pretty well had to take a view as to how you thought your career was going to pan out.
I take it, and I may be wrong in this, but I take it that if somebody had been in the scheme, in the CSS, for a long time, perhaps had even been in the CSF before then, and they were coming up to a stage in their life where they intended remaining employed by the Commonwealth but weren't that far away from turning 55 and being able to access the CSS benefits, that in that situation it might have been more beneficial to remain in the CSS than go to the PSS? --- Well, as I say it was pretty personal. I mean some people - see, if you stayed in the CSS you were going to get a benefit which was going to be pension and lump sum. In the PSS you could take all of your benefit as a lump sum or you could take - provided you took up to half of this pension you could pension and lump sum. Some people who thought they were, say, investment gurus probably thought I'm going to get hold of this lump sum and do fantastic things with it. But the general view was, I think, but I'm not - COMSuper was neutral on it.
You were neutral, yes? --- We - we had no instructions from government or anybody that, you know, you must get 55% of people in the PSS, it was purely neutral. If you were going to stay in employment with the Commonwealth, you didn't really know what to do, well then your best bet was probably to stay in the CSS, but as I say, it was very much a personal decision.
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HIS HONOUR: You mean by that, staying in the CSS or going to the PSS? --- Staying in - well, again I think it depends on your circumstances. Our customs man, I think he thought it was no trouble, he wanted - he was single, he wanted a lump sum, I suppose he thought if he retired in the CSS, collected his pension for a week and dropped dead, that was it.
MR DAVIS: But it may have been different if he had a wife, dependents? --- Yes, exactly.
And been in the service a long time? --- Yes. That's right.
Approaching retirement, more concerned about a pension than anything else, wanted a bit of money perhaps to, you know, pay out his mortgage? --- Mm. And if he described a sort of situation you have described, you - it was a fairly difficult decision and we didn't say it, but the financial people in the press at the time, because there was a lot of information around the place. Their position was well if you - if you're in this situation, you're worried about the decision, stay in the CSS, but that wasn't COMSuper's position.
No, but that was the advice that was available at that time? --- Well that was what the financial press was saying, you know, whether people - I was going to say, say free advice is, you know, something to do with - - -
HIS HONOUR: Worth what you pay for it? --- Worth what you pay for it.
MR DAVIS: At the same time too, I suppose, and you mentioned earlier that if you thought you were a bit of a financial guru, you might chance your luck on investing the lump sum if you hadn't retired? --- Yes.
Whereas if you - - - ? --- Yes, well I certainly am not a financial guru, and I certainly wouldn't have done that, but I did run across a few people who thought they were and they thought they could do something better with this lump sum than collecting a PSS lump sum than collecting a CSS benefit of some combination.