The hearing
21The matter proceeded over four days. On the first day of the hearing I asked Mr Connor of senior counsel, who appeared with Ms Avenell for the plaintiff on the limited issue of the application to amend and to adjourn, about the experts' answers. The relevant part of the transcript is in these terms:
"HIS HONOUR: I appreciate you don't appear on the hearing, Mr Connor, but again on the theoretical assumption that Dr Molloy's report were not admitted into evidence and you may not have instructions to answer this question do the joint experts opinions on the breach issues dispose of the proceedings?
CONNOR: I don't have instructions to answer that question."
22On the second day of the hearing Mr Coren was regrettably left to conduct the plaintiff's case by himself. The following exchange with him occurred:
"HIS HONOUR: It may in due course become necessary to descend into the details of the joint decision. But I am doing the best I can in coming to terms with the manner in which the plaintiff's case is now put. I have had regard to, and will anticipate that, the answers to the questions given to the joint obstetric experts will in due course be put before me as part of the evidence.
Having regard to the expectation we all have that the plaintiff's mother will give no evidence beyond that referred to and quoted in question 4 of the joint experts' opinion about the request, and having regard to the answer to question 4, what do you say is the significance of that answer, in the light of the way you are formulating the case now?
COREN: I propose to object to any consideration by the experts of that. For instance, it is completely discordant with the law. Secondly, to say that Professor Robinson acted in accordance with reasonable conduct, the experts have to start at a different position. They have to find out what that request is; for instance, "Can I have?" Did the plaintiff's mother say, "Can I have? What difference would there be between a timid woman asking, "Can I have?" or an aggressive woman asking, "Can I have?"
The defendant's experts, and also Dr Chapman, cannot be in a position to determine what the effect of the request was. It is not allowable position that the experts should be in. That is the problem in relation to this whole case. There has been a perception that what has been written on paper has got some minimal relation to anything. I have never quite grasped why that is the concept. There has been request made and it has been dismissed. In this context, this lady had twelve antenatal attendances. Her evidence is that she only saw Professor Robinson for comfort because of the horrific experiences she had. The prior pregnancies made arrangements for emergency caesarean if something had gone wrong. We come to the final antenatal attendance. A request is made. It is dismissed. A caesarean would have resulted in no problem and certainly not the injury complained of here. We have a situation where there has been a decision made, no doubt in the best interests. It is discordant with a person's ultimate human rights, as to what is to happen with their own body. That is where we are." [Emphasis added].
23Later the same day there was some discussion about calling the experts to give concurrent evidence. There seemed to me to be limited, if any, benefit in them doing so, in light of their unanimous answers to the questions they considered. In due course the following discussion took place:
"HIS HONOUR: Just out of interest: What utility is there to be in the evidence that the experts might give in joint session tomorrow, in the light of the answers to the joint questions?
KIRK: That's a very good question. It's one I will have to discuss with my friend at lunchtime.
HIS HONOUR: I note that Mr Coren says that he objects, and I don't want to invite argument about that now. I'm unfamiliar with the concept of the objection, or the right to object to which he's referred. If either of you is able at some stage to enlighten me about that I would be indebted.
KIRK: Can I seek to tender all of that at this stage... which is material relating to the joint expert report, only because, as I now understand it, my friend wishes to object to the joint report. It might be better to deal with that objection tomorrow morning, so I will postpone the tender of that till tomorrow morning, but I do propose to tender it.
HIS HONOUR: Well, I'm not sure. Why can't we deal with the objection to that report now?
KIRK: I am not sure how complicated it is. To be frank, I don't quite understand the objection, and I'm just apprehensive there might be something in there which might require a bit of legal research, or there may not. I'm certainly happy for my friend to articulate that objection.
HIS HONOUR: I want to know a bit more about it, and I want to know about it sooner rather than later because, on one view, bringing experts at great cost, expense, in time and otherwise inconvenience to the court to give evidence on an issue upon which there seems to be no disagreement is not something I'm keen on."
24I then came to engage Mr Coren upon the reasons why he objected to the experts' joint answers. The following extract deals with that:
"HIS HONOUR: All right. Well, let's deal with this. Mr Coren, how do you object to the joint experts' report? Do you object to the whole of it?
COREN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Why?
COREN: I object to the whole of it, your Honour, for various reasons. It will take a while. At this point, in relation to the potential confusion as to representation that existed this morning, there is a couple of issues, your Honour, as my notes on many things in relation to this, the defendant's evidence, are simply not with me at present. That's just the first thing. But I can assist in saying that, generally, your Honour, for instance, the issue that you addressed was raised, about the prior birthing concerns, so I think really
HIS HONOUR: Mr Coren, I want you to tell me why you object to the joint experts' report.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Focus your mind on that.
COREN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: If you want a moment to think about it I will give you that moment, but I would have thought that by now, having foreshadowed your objections, you would have reasons to support the objections.
COREN: I apologise, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: You don't have to apologise. I just want you to tell me why you object to it.
COREN: I was going to go through each question, your Honour, that's all.
HIS HONOUR: Well, you told me you objected to the whole of the report.
COWEN: The global objection, your Honour, is, for instance, in relation to question 3. That's not a question that doctors can answer. It's simply not.
HIS HONOUR: Question 3?
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Pardon me. Well, let's put aside the question of whether I agree with you or not.
COREN: Well, my
HIS HONOUR: Would you just hold on.
COREN: I thought you had finished, your Honour. I apologise.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. You were sent the proposed questions, together with a proposed index of documents, to be provided to the joint conference of doctors on 17 February, and despite letters and telephone conversations, nothing transpired until your email of 13 July 2011, about five months later, when you asserted that a joint conference was not necessary.
If there had been a question proposed that you thought was beyond the, either expertise or the range of questions that these experts could answer, because it was the ultimate issue or a legal matter, why didn't you answer a phone call about it or write a letter to say so?
COREN: Your Honour, I submit that's probably not the fairest assessment of the evidence. I accept that is what's happened in respect to the letter of 13 July. There were, indeed, requests received and there were, indeed, requests made for that to be addressed. Whether or not, and irrespective of the issues at fault, for which I do apologise for, but the questions themselves have to be relevant, your Honour, and they have to be based on proper principles.
HIS HONOUR: Well, all right. If that question was not relevant or not based upon proper principles, as you assert, one, why in those five months didn't you say so?
COREN: Your Honour, the evidence on that was, well, it's not in this hearing, of course but, obviously, the requests were made for various counsel to consider issues, and so on, your Honour, but there is no response to that request. I accept that. I cannot say any more on that. I accept your statement on that to the court, yes.
HIS HONOUR: All right. Now, why is it not a question that expert obstetric specialists could answer?
COREN: Question 3, your Honour?
HIS HONOUR: Yes.
COREN: Well, assuming that the plaintiff's mother had requested that, it goes to the basic principles, is a doctor supposed to do what he's not told to do? That's why.
HIS HONOUR: Hang on. Is a doctor allowed to do what he's not told to do?
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: The question is, giving the benefit of the doubt, I interpose, to the plaintiff's mother, having regard to the terms of the conversation in question 4, a request for a caesarean, would it have been a departure from professional practice to ignore that request? That's the question.
Why aren't expert gynaecologists, or obstetricians entitled to express an opinion on that?
COREN: That's question 4, your Honour?
HIS HONOUR: Have you got a copy of the questions in front of you?
COREN: Yes I do. Question 4 specifically deals with the conversation. Question 3 goes beyond. It must, the very reference, and I don't believe question 3 was in that letter of February. I can check that, your Honour, but I'm fairly certainly it wasn't. Or question 4 wasn't, one of them certainly wasn't, so that is not the actual request that was sent to me anyway. Or it was sent after yours.
HIS HONOUR: Well, question 3 certainly ended up before the experts at the joint conference, didn't it?
COREN: It has, yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Was it in the letter?
COREN: I'm sorry, your Honour, I will take advantage of that opportunity to have a look at this before I make that submission. Sorry, I didn't have the evidence before your Honour. I do have evidence, which has been put in some form, which is the actual document. If I could have five minutes it would be very much appreciated, and I will do that.
SHORT ADJOURNMENT"
25Mr Coren contended that the joint conference of experts should not have gone ahead. His reasons for objecting to it were first adumbrated in his letter dated 13 July 2011 to which reference is made in my earlier judgment. Following the adjournment, that topic was returned to as the following extract reveals:
"HIS HONOUR: Well, it went ahead.
COREN: Yes, it did.
HIS HONOUR: And the question was answered.
COREN: It would be my respectful submission that the question itself is the issue. If indeed the question is to be asked and the experts are to give evidence on something which I would ultimately submit has no relevance, that's what has to happen, but I would submit that it wouldn't be necessarily of much benefit for it to occur.
HIS HONOUR: You are dealing at a hundred miles an hour with a whole series of issues. Do you say the question is directed at an issue that is not relevant?
COREN: I would submit first and foremost the question is so flawed that it just doesn't assist you.
HIS HONOUR: It doesn't assist me?
COREN: No. That is my first point.
The question before your Honour, if indeed
HIS HONOUR: Is question 4 okay?
COREN: Well, I don't suggest it will be but I will not be pressing my objection to that for this afternoon because I hear what you say about it, but my objection
HIS HONOUR: I haven't said anything about it.
COREN: My objection is in relation to issue 3, that the experts have answered a question which is of a nature that shouldn't have been responded to, let alone
HIS HONOUR: It could be said that question 3 is a general question seeking the experts' opinions on matters relating to a request by a person in the plaintiff's mother's position generally and question 4 is a particular question based upon the evidence given by the plaintiff's mother of the conversations she said she had in the antenatal period. If the fourth question is an appropriate one as a particular question, why is the third question not appropriate in terms of general practice?
COREN: I didn't suggest your Honour, my position is they are simply both totally not appropriate at all. Both. I mean, that was set out in my letter."
26I then took Mr Coren back to his letter dated 13 July 2011 and the following exchange then occurred:
"HIS HONOUR: You see, the third last paragraph on page 2 says this and I will read it out so my question to you in the transcript is juxtaposed to the terms of the paragraph you said:
'The issue is simply whether the request was made. If the request was not made, there is no breach of duty by the defendant. If the request was made, there is a failure of the defendant to comply with the extent of his duty of care to the plaintiff's mother, by reason of his own evidence.'
COREN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Doesn't the third question deal in an hypothetical or theoretical way, that is to say not by reference to the specific terms of the request that the plaintiff's mother says she made to Professor Robinson, but generally, with the question of what the obligation of Professor Robinson would have been if a request in some other general terms had been made or, more particularly, what was the position of a professional obstetrician in the position of the defendant to whom such a request had been made. Doesn't question 3 fairly and squarely raise that as an issue?
COREN: Yes, of course, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: And isn't that the very issue that you have identified as the simple issue in the third last paragraph on the second page of your letter?
COREN: Your Honour, it is just not I accept what you say entirely. I hope I am not at cross-purposes with your Honour. It is just not evidence that they can give. It is not within their expertise. It is not something that would assist your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: What do you mean it is not evidence that they can give? They are giving evidence, are they not, of what was or was not in their view proper professional obstetric practice in 1985?
COREN: Well, I would hope not, your Honour. I don't understand that the question look, your Honour, I am more than happy if indeed I just address you on weight tomorrow. I don't wish to I don't think I can say much more than I have and say that the question itself does not assist you and indeed does not in any way relate to an issue that these experts can address. It doesn't result from a medical concern. It results from a request. "Can I? May I? Will you?". I don't see how they can possibly
HIS HONOUR: You have identified in the third last paragraph of your letter the simple issue as whether the request was made. They are not dealing with whether a request was made. They, in question 3, have been asked hypothetically what ought the response by a professional obstetrician to have been to a request for a caesarean section if it had been made. Could they ignore it could such a professional ignore it consistently with performance of his professional duty. That is the issue. You have identified it.
COREN: Yes, that's right. Yes, your Honour, absolutely. I agree. I am not disagreeing with you at all. I am happy for as I said to your Honour, if indeed if these experts propose to give that evidence then that is a matter for them, I just don't think it assists your Honour. I will leave it at that. I really will. I just don't think it assists you, that is all.
HIS HONOUR: I have to say to you, Mr Coren, I know these three experts from my previous professional practice before I came here and I know of them from what I have seen of them since I have been here and that covers more years than we care to remember. They are generally accepted in this Court as having expertise on the practice of obstetrics in this State over the years to which they, by dint of their own experience, can refer.
You keep saying you don't think it will help me. Why would not evidence from eminent professionals, including one qualified by you, be of assistance to me? Why wouldn't that--
COREN: Your Honour, they are giving evidence in breach of the ultimate proposition that a person can decide what their treatment is. That is where I am coming from, your Honour. They are giving evidence that they can do other than what they are told. That is what it is. In a nutshell.
But your Honour, I don't wish to trouble your Honour I don't wish to say anything about of course I don't know the doctors and I hope it is not coming across as a criticism of those because it is certainly not. I am just saying
HIS HONOUR: Is the burden of your proposition
COREN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR:... that if a patient asks for a caesarean or demands a caesarean, that an obstetrician to whom such a request or of whom such a demand is made never has any cause other than to accede to that course. Is that your proposition?
COREN: If there is no issue of emergency, if there is no issue of competence, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Or cease treatment, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: I am sorry?
COREN: Or cease treatment of the patient, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Well, if that is your view, then question 3 is directly on point, isn't it?
COREN: Yes, it is, your Honour, yes.
HIS HONOUR: And the answer that is given is inimical to your case, isn't it?
COREN: It is. Yes, it is.
HIS HONOUR: I have to say, I am considerably troubled by what is proposed to occur tomorrow with these three gentlemen. My anticipation is that Mr Kirk won't want to ask them a single question. Am I right about that, Mr Kirk?
KIRK: Your Honour, so long as the joint report is in, our experts are in and I think in fairness Professor Chapman needs to be in as well, his two reports.
HIS HONOUR: I understand that.
KIRK: If all that is in, and subject to responsive questions, no, I currently have no questions I wish to ask the experts.
HIS HONOUR: Do I anticipate that you have some questions you want to ask?
COREN: I do, your Honour."
27The following day the experts assembled at court to give evidence concurrently, despite my misgivings about the utility of that course. Mr Coren had prepared and circulated a series of questions that he wished to direct to the experts. Before doing so, however, there was a further, short discussion about the experts' report, as follows:
"COREN: Question 2, for instance, I'm not sure. My submission is that at the end of the day there was not a joint report.
HIS HONOUR: Say again.
COREN: The plaintiff's submission will be that there was not a joint report. It was not the plaintiff's desire to have this report, as a submission that is all."
28Later the following took place:
"HIS HONOUR: Well, I think I said to you yesterday that I got the impression that it was your view of the case that this was always a request case, do you remember that?
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: I thought you said that this was something you had never said or you didn't agree with.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: That arose at page 10 of the first day's transcript, and you had said to Mr Kirk in cross-examination:
"My understanding was that it was always to be a request case. It was to be a consideration of whether or not the request was made."
And that clearly is a reference as to whether or not the plaintiff's mother requested or, on another analysis, insisted upon a caesarean, right?
COREN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: I thought the questions that were directed to the experts dealt with the only evidence of a request that will appear in this case, that is, the three line intercourse between the plaintiff's mother and Professor Robinson, and that the experts had already turned their minds to that in the questions that were asked.
COREN: Yes, in a way that was not permissible. I was against those questions being asked. My position was confirmed on 13 July that this is a request case. The evidence has been now put in a joint report form. I'm simply asking those questions based upon that report. It is not a situation where there has ever been a change in position, simply that that opinion has been given.
HIS HONOUR: You must understand, Mr Coren, those questions were asked because you did not object to them. Or suggest alternatives. That report and those questions have been produced in accordance with an order of the court, and these doctors knew that they had an obligation to produce answers as a result of an order of the court.
COREN: There was objection to the questions a week prior to the conference.
HIS HONOUR: In your letter of the 13th?
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: You said you did not think a conference was necessary?
COREN: Yes, your Honour. That is what the plaintiff's position was, that it was not necessary.
HIS HONOUR: How can you say it is not necessary?
COREN: Really, I have limited cross-examination on the report, to questions that I was happy to disclose. I do not really understand that I could do much more than that. I'm content with your rulings, and I am happy to move on."
29Both Mr Coren and Dr Kirk then asked the experts questions. No evidence given by any of the experts appears to alter the impact of their joint report. Professor Robinson was later called and cross-examined by Mr Coren. At the request of the parties I then adjourned the proceedings until the following Friday in order to enable the parties to prepare written submissions and to hear oral presentations in support of them at that time. When the matter resumed on that day I ultimately confronted Mr Coren with what I had been concerned was a troubling issue for the plaintiff's case. This arose as follows:
"HIS HONOUR: Right. The question then comes as to whether or not Professor Robinson failed in breach of a duty to perform a caesarean because he was bound in clinical or therapeutic terms to do so having been confronted with a demand from the plaintiff's mother that that occur.
COREN: Well, that is the issue, your Honour. If I could
HIS HONOUR: Hang on, just let me expose my thinking.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: The only request or demand is that formulated in the three line conversation with which we are all now intimately familiar. Presented with that formulation of the request or the demand, the several obstetric experts expressed the view that there was no breach of duty. I raised with you on Wednesday, I think, my desire to have you address that.
The case, in one sense, is a simple one to formulate and I hope I have done it simply. It is not simplistic.
COREN: No.
HIS HONOUR: But if that is a correct analysis of the case, what is your answer to the obstetric expert opinion that no breach occurred in those circumstances?
HIS HONOUR: And that was the point of the question I addressed to you a moment ago, that the only version of that request was submitted to the joint experts and they formed a view that if it was the request that was made, or even construing it at its highest, the doctor did not fail to conform to proper practice in the circumstances. I want you to address that. You must address that."
30Mr Coren thereafter proceeded with some lengthy submissions before I interrupted him with the following concerns:
"HIS HONOUR: Let me take the first point you made. If it is pleaded that this was a case in which a caesar should have been performed, to use your term, as an absolute proposition
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: That issue was before the joint experts.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: And they said that it was not a breach of duty not to perform a caesar in this case. I am asking you again to address that joint opinion and tell me how you accommodate it in your claim."
31No helpful response to that question was provided. The discussion then later resumed in these terms:
"COREN: Your Honour, I apologise. I am starting from this proposition and I am going backwards to the request.
You have asked me to address you on at what point at what point would it have been that a caesarean should have been undertaken if not for the request. I understood that was what you were asking me to do.
HIS HONOUR: I haven't asked you that at all. It is no part of the case.
COREN: But your Honour, you have asked me if all doctors have said there is no breach, then what difference does the request make I think is basically what you are saying.
HIS HONOUR: No. Please listen. The doctors in joint conference were asked to address whether or not Professor Robinson failed to conform to proper medical practice at the time, taking into account the request that was made.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: They have taken that into account and unanimously expressed the opinion in various formulations that there was no breach. I want you to tell me why that report and that opinion either doesn't carry the day or can be got around in some way favourable to the plaintiff.
COREN: In many ways, your Honour. I did misunderstand you and I apologise. In many ways.
The first proposition is that the experts were given a question to ask of that nature.
HIS HONOUR: Let us work on the hypothetical assumption for the moment so that I can have your input into it.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: That I am against you on the rejection of the joint report.
COREN: Okay.
HIS HONOUR: Let us just take it a step at a time and assume that that report is admissible and carries weight of some sort.
COREN: My submission
HIS HONOUR: Please address the substance of it.
COREN: Yes, your Honour.
My submission is that that opinion of the experts would then only relate to the initial decision but not to the entire birthing process. That would be my submission to you."
32The discussion ultimately descended into an iteration of my frustration as follows:
"HIS HONOUR: Am I the only person in this room that is having this difficulty? I am having great trouble understanding anything you are saying. You have a disabled client, in an unfortunate position as a result of events that I am required to adjudicate on, and I want to get to the bottom of it. We are going around in circles about VBAC.
COREN: If I could then put it this way your Honour, I'm sorry. I will put it this way; that's correct, we are going around in circles because we are dealing with a proposition that is not just the usual proposition where the experts give evidence of this nature. It is very difficult to address the situation where the experts are saying as a result of the request, for a start that shouldn't have been asked.
HIS HONOUR: What shouldn't have been asked?
COREN: That the experts should be entitled to give an opinion on what he should have done after a request. It just shouldn't have been asked. A request."
33That frustration was not ultimately alleviated by Mr Coren's ensuing submissions. The following then occurred:
"HIS HONOUR: I am speaking in terms of what occurred in fact. She proceeded to a vaginal delivery. She had a conversation with the doctor that, as I say, we are all familiar with. Notwithstanding that conversation, she proceeded to a vaginal birth.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: In the absence of protestation or a revisiting of the conversation.
COREN: That's right.
HIS HONOUR: That collocation of factors was raised for consideration by the doctors in joint conference, because you pleaded that those were the circumstances that gave rise to a breach. You now tell me that those experts are not entitled to consider that.
COREN: I don't see any report where the experts have considered that proposition, your Honour, never. They have said a demand. I have never seen that proposition being raised by the experts. Professor Chapman says whether it is a request or a demand.
HIS HONOUR: You keep going. I won't interrupt you again. You tell me.
COREN: Yes, your Honour. I understand your concern, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: I'm not sure you do.
COREN: I think I do.
HIS HONOUR: I am not sure you do."
34After some further quite lengthy submissions from Mr Coren, which I did not consider to be directed to the real issues in the case, I was moved to make the following observation, in the hope that it might refocus the direction that was being taken:
"HIS HONOUR: You have to understand, Mr Coren, I am not unmindful of the personality of the Plaintiff's mother, from my observations of her in the witness box, as a polite and deferential woman who, in the circumstances that she found herself in with Professor Robinson, was probably if not certainly disinclined to contradict him.
I have had regard to the fact that her statement makes reference to the fact that she understood his eminence and was disinclined, in the circumstances, to contradict anything he may have said, or to assert for herself things she may have felt in a way that appeared to be contradicting him. I have been in the law long enough, and I have had enough to do with people over my lifetime to know that the Plaintiff's mother was not an assertive, outspoken, aggressive person. Your submission is that that is something that has to be played into the weave of this case in assessing the significance of the conversation we are all dealing with. Please understand, I know that."
35The point was somewhat later reached when I felt compelled to suggest a course that should be followed. That appears from the transcript in these terms:
"HIS HONOUR: Mr Coren, I will tell you what is troubling me. With great respect to you, your submissions from where I am sitting are not addressing the critical concerns that I have and I have adumbrated those a number of times.
COREN: Yes, you have. I can't assist you much more than.
HIS HONOUR: Hold on. I want to make sure you get an opportunity to do it.
COREN: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: You have by now the written submissions from Mr Kirk.
COREN: I haven't read them.
HIS HONOUR: You may not have had an opportunity yet fully to digest them.
It seems to me that, although expressed from the point of view of the defendant and in aid of the defendant's case, those submissions raise in a clear and sequential fashion what are the issues in these proceedings. Clearly enough the conclusions that are urged upon me in those submissions are conclusions favourable to Dr Robinson. You would take a different view.
Would it be a good idea if you were given an opportunity to respond in writing to those submissions in the categories and with respect to the headings that Mr Kirk has adopted so that each of your minds is focused on the same issues better to assist me to conclude this case? Do you think that might be a good idea?
COREN: Possibly. I haven't read them. Could I possibly have a look and that may be the proper way to proceed of course.
HIS HONOUR: Without suggesting a possibility, it seems to me that it has got to be a better course than the discursive material I am being presented with at the moment.
COREN: Yes, your Honour."
36I was troubled at this time for a number of reasons, the most fundamental of which I described as follows:
"HIS HONOUR: As I have said, I am very concerned that the plaintiff is carrying a disability from birth that is serious and disabling and I have read all of the material and she should have every opportunity in this Court to have her case presented in the best way and I am not going to take any steps that imperil that and the course I am proposing, I hope, is one that will enhance it."
37It was in those circumstances that I suggested to Mr Coren that he should reconsider his approach to his submissions, part of which had already been reduced to writing, and try again to deal with some of the issues that I had indicated were troubling me. In due course it was agreed that the parties should provide me with further written submissions. I expressed the view that Mr Coren may have been well advised if at all possible to enlist the assistance of counsel for that purpose, although I recognised that there may have been fundamental practical obstacles in the way of such a course. Written submissions from both sides were subsequently received. I shall now refer to these.