15 It is not necessary for me to consider the competing arguments about whether the orders sought by NAB were oppressive and the relative merits of the competing proposals for how statistically reliable information should be obtained, although it might be desirable to make the following observations. NAB also argued that it needed the particulars and discovery it had sought to establish matters that it could not otherwise establish by other means. There was considerable debate before me concerning the utility of the information sought by the summons, of whether the NAB was able to obtain the information for its stated objective through other means, and of whether the orders sought were otherwise oppressive. NAB led evidence pointing to the difficulty involved for it to obtain the materials it sought through other avenues that might be available to it, such as its own share register. Mr Betts deposed to these difficulties in an affidavit under the heading "There is no effective alternative to seeking discovery from market participants". Counsel for the plaintiffs suggested that the difficulties were both overstated and failed to have regard to the power of NAB under s 672B of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) to require the disclosure of the information it claimed to need. Senior counsel for NAB contended, in response, that the provision could not be relied upon in aid of litigation and, in any event, that it could not operate to require the provision of information of the kind sought in respect of past events.[8] It is not desirable for me to express a view on the proper construction of the section in light of my reasons for dismissing the summons and the way in which it arose in the proceeding. It arose only in the course of oral argument and did not have the benefit of mature consideration by counsel for either side. It will be sufficient to note for present purposes that the submissions by senior counsel for NAB have much force although there have been cases when a statutory right to obtain information has been held to be available in aid of litigation.[9] For present purposes I will proceed upon the assumption of the correctness of the argument for NAB and that it may not have recourse to s 672B of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) to obtain the information which it seeks to obtain through the summons. It is, at any rate, appropriate to assume that the NAB has been responsibly advised not to have recourse to s 672B. I will also assume as correct the matters deposed to by Mr Betts about the difficulties facing NAB in obtaining the information it seeks through other processes. None of that, however, is sufficient to justify discovery or particulars in this case at this stage and on the materials so far adduced. I am not persuaded that there is a sufficient present forensic benefit to NAB for the orders to be made. It might be different if, as I noted above, an expert had given evidence of needing specific information not otherwise available, or not otherwise reasonably available, which, if provided, was likely to enable the expert to produce probative and admissible expert evidence.