Consulting a solicitor in 1994
57 The judge addressed a submission founded on evidence concerning consultation with a solicitor in the early 1990s, and said that he was not satisfied that Mr Magann consulted a solicitor "as early as March 1994", although Mr Magann did contemplate seeing a solicitor "but as an act of revenge or retribution upon [Father McGloin and Mr Eijkman]". I will later come to the part played by this in the judge's decision. Although it was not the subject of a separate ground of appeal, the appellants took issue with the judge's finding. Any consultation with or contemplation of seeing a solicitor in 1994 is of importance, and while the appellants' challenge to the finding that Mr Magann did not consult a solicitor as early as 1994 was muted they maintained that he was aware in 1994 that he could claim compensation for the consequence of sexual abuse he said he had suffered, and was told that he should see a solicitor about doing so.
58 Bishop Heather's notes of the 26 March 1994 meeting began -
"Met Darren with Bill Wright. Repeated allegations to some extent. Said he had been to a solicitor and would be taking legal action against both Michael and H. Eichman [sic]. He had already initiated procedures against H. Eichman."
59 Later in the notes the Bishop wrote, as part of his dealing with the allegation of sexual abuse, "If Darren's solicitor writes it will be dealt with by M's solicitor. Try to keep it at that level."
60 In the affidavit in which he gave evidence of engaging his present solicitor and seeing the two solicitors shortly beforehand, Mr Magann went on in its para 14 -
"I decided to see a solicitor on the advice of Father Bill. I had a conversation with Father Bill to the following effect:
Darren: Can I sue the Church for what Father Eijkman and Michael have done?
Father Bill: Yes."
61 In its context in the affidavit, this appeared to relate to seeing a solicitor in the latter part of 2002. But it was not specifically tied to that time, and Bishop Heather's notes clearly conveyed that Mr Magann had consulted a solicitor in 1994. Father Wright did not give evidence. Mr Magann was asked in cross-examination about the conversation with Father Wright.
62 First, Mr Magann said that he remembered "every word what was said" at the meeting with Bishop Heather, and -
"Q. Such words from your mouth included that you had been to a solicitor and you are going to take legal action against both Michael and Eichmann [sic], true?
A. Yep.
Q. And you said you'd already started procedures against Eichmann?
A. That was with the DPP and the copper over at Windsor, because the Church told me they'll go after McGloin (sic).
Q. It was only on 19 May 2003 that you commenced these proceedings in this Court, that right?
A. Oh well, must be then, yeah.
Q. Nine years short only of two weeks since you told the bishop that you'd been to see a solicitor and that you'd initiated procedures against Eichmann, right?
A. Yeah.
M B WILLIAMS: Q. That was with regard to Eichmann?
A. That was with Eichmann because Manning - oh sorry, Bede Heather told me in front of Bill Wright, 'You go after Eichmann because he's out of the priesthood and it's quicker if you do it, we'll go after McGloin because he's still in the priesthood and it'll be quicker if we do it,' and they were his exact words. And Bill Wright, well Father Bill, sorry, he was sitting to my right when Bede Heather said that.
Q. Speaking of exact words, didn't you say 'Can I sue the Church for what Father Eichmann and Michael have done?'
A. Yep, that's correct, I did say that.
Q. And Father Bill replied 'Yes'.
A. Father Bill said 'Get a solicitor first before you do anything'.
Q. That was on 26 March '94, correct?
A. Well yeah, I don't remember dates, but yes, it'd be around that."
63 Counsel for another defendant later returned to the matter -
"Q. What was the name of the solicitor that you went to see in 1993?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Do you remember being asked about this yesterday. You had been to see Bishop Heather?
A. I seen Bishop Heather.
Q. Can I just stop you there. You told Bishop Heather that you had gone to see a solicitor and you were going to take legal action against McGloyn and Eijkman. I just want to know what the name of the solicitor was?
A. It wasn't a solicitor, it was the DPP, that's who I went and spoke to and they said well, it was only, it was with Eijkman 'cos as I said the Bishop, whatever his name, Heather said we're going to go after McGloyn but, and I said but Eijkman, and then I rang up the Wollongong area, that's right. I rang up Wollongong DPP and it was the solicitor for the coppers so that's what I'm referring to about. I went and seen a solicitor which was the DPP.
Q. But didn't you tell the Bishop that there had been proceedings started against Eijkman and you were going to start a case against McGloyn?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Weren't there two separate episodes, one when you went to see the DPP with police, and two when you went to see the solicitors about a civil action such as you're now trying to start?
A. The only thing I can remember is going to the DPP and speaking to the solicitor, who was he, the solicitor there.
Q. The statement that was taken in 1994 by the police dealt only with Mr Henk Eijkman, didn't it?
A. Because I was told it would be easier for me to go after Eijkman because he's left the priesthood and now lectures down at the police academy at Goulburn. That's the only reason why I didn't fight for McGloyn because Peter [sic] told me and Father Bill, right: 'Leave McGloyn to us, we'll get him'."
64 Counsel for the remaining defendant also later went to the matter, reading out Bishop Heather's note and continuing -
"Now, I want to suggest to you that at the meeting you had at which Bill Wright was present when you were with Bishop Heather, you said you'd been to a solicitor?
A. Well, I don't recall that. That was years ago. I don't recall that.
Q. I want to suggest to you, you said you had been to a solicitor and would be taking legal action against both Michael and Henk Eijkman?
A. No. I remember speaking to Bill Wright and saying 'Can I get a solicitor?' and he said 'Yes, you can'. I said 'What about - can I sue the Church for sexual abuse?' And he said 'Yes'. He said, 'McGloyn is known to be a paedophile in the Catholic Church'.
Q. Thank you for that. So Bill Wright to you back in March 1994 you could get a solicitor.
A. Yeah, I remember him saying that. We were on our way home.
Q. And you raised it, I suppose, because it was a matter of some concern to you, correct?
A. Well, it was, because I don't think paedophiles should be on the street.
Q. Indeed and you wanted to get a solicitor to sue them?
A. Straight away, to get them in gaol.
Q. And that was the view you had in March 1994?
A. Oh yeah. Well if that's the date, yeah."
65 Counsel then took Mr Magann to the affidavit with the conversation with Father Wright about suing the Church, and -
"Q. You then say in paragraph 14: 'I decided to see a solicitor on the advice of Father Bill'?
A. Yeah, because Father Bill - I said to Father Bill, 'I want to know, I want to speak to Kevin Manning' and Father Bill rang up Kevin and Kevin Manning said, 'Tell Darren to get stuffed, I don't want nothing to do with the bloke, he's accusing me for interfering in his sexual abuse, I believe he has been sexually abused but' and then I went back to Father Bill and said, 'Look Bill, can you help me out here?' and he said, 'Well, you need to get a solicitor. How about I help ya?' Like Father Bill is the bloke who was appointed to me by the Catholic Church as my helper.
Q. Why did you not continue with the solicitor that you'd seen back in 1994?
A. I didn't even think I seen a solicitor in '94.
Q. You said you did a minute ago? I'm just wondering.
A. In 2004 or '94?
Q. No '94. Why didn't you go on with that solicitor?
A. Who was that, sorry? Was that Doug Timmons? Is that who you're talking about?
Q. No. You remember I was asking you questions about the meeting you had with Bill Wright and Bede Heather, when you told them you'd been to a solicitor?
A. That was the DPP I spoke to, that their solicitor for the DPP?
Q. No, the DPP you didn't see, I don't think, because you just told us, until after July?
A. I didn't speak to any --
Q. Of 19--
A. The only solicitor I spoke to was the solicitor for the DPP and that's the one Richard Cox gave me.
Q. And that was on the phone?
A. I didn't see any solicitor back in '94.
Q. Well --
A. Father Bill wanted me to get a solicitor.
Q. Back in '94.
A. Yeah, he wanted - 6 July 2003 I think it was when I first told Father Bill that McGloyn and Eijkman sexually abused me and when we'd been talking about different things, he said 'Now's the time you got to go and get a solicitor'.
Q. Back in '93?
A. '94, sorry, when I told him about the allegations."
66 A degree of initial clarity ended with some confusion, not untypical of Mr Magann's evidence. Whatever Father Wright said to Mr Magann about a solicitor, was it in 1994 or later when Bishop Manning was in office? Was the conversation with Father Wright about legal action to obtain compensation for what Father McGloin and Mr Eijkman had done, or about legal action to have criminal proceedings against them? Had Mr Magann been to a solicitor before the meeting with Bishop Heather?
67 The judge referred to Bishop Heather's notes. He said that it was Mr Magann's evidence that he "had not seen a solicitor at this stage". He referred to para 14 of the affidavit, and to Mr Magann's evidence in the cross-examination by the other defendants, and said -
"From this evidence I concluded that it was in 1994 that the Applicant was advised to seek legal advice, but not for the purpose of compensation, but to initiate proceedings as an act of retribution against the Second and Third Respondents, to, as the Applicant said 'get them in gaol'.
I am therefore not satisfied that the Applicant did consult a solicitor as early as March 1994, but I am satisfied, because of his anger at what he alleges was done to him, he did contemplate seeing a solicitor, but as an act of revenge or retribution upon the Second and Third Respondents."
68 The judge accepted that Mr Magann "was advised to seek legal advice" in 1994. This could only have been acceptance that whatever Father Wright said to Mr Magann about a solicitor took place in 1994. But his Honour found first, that Mr Magann had not in fact consulted a solicitor, and secondly, that Mr Magann contemplated seeing a solicitor not in order to obtain compensation but in order to "get them in gaol". With respect, this finding has considerable difficulties.
69 So far as Mr Magann said that, in telling Bishop Heather that he had consulted a solicitor, he meant the DPP solicitor, he was plainly in error. On the evidence, he did not see the police or have contact with the DPP until after the meeting with Bishop Heather. The conversation in para 14 of the affidavit was not about seeing a solicitor with a view to criminal proceedings against Father McGloin and Mr Eijkman, the question as given by Mr Magann in the affidavit being whether he could sue the Church for what they had done. In his oral evidence Mr Magann twice affirmed a conversation in those terms, including that he asked Father Wright whether he could sue the Church for sexual abuse. Father Wright told Mr Magann that he should see a solicitor for that purpose. It is unlikely that Father Wright told Mr Magann to see a solicitor as a way to "get them in gaol", and unlikely that their conversation was about criminal proceedings against Father McGloin and Mr Eijkman rather than suing the Church.
70 Against this, while Bishop Heather's notes recorded Mr Magann saying that he had been to a solicitor, the foreshadowed legal action was not against the Church but against Father McGloin and Mr Eijkman. The reference to "already initiated procedures" against Mr Eijkman is not easy to understand; the evidence did not suggest what that could have been. It is possible that Mr Magann was misunderstood in a meeting at which he was "very mixed up and confused" (Bishop Heather's impression), or that he said he had seen a solicitor when he had not yet done so.
71 Nonetheless, even if Mr Magann had not in fact seen a solicitor prior to the meeting with Bishop Heather - as the short-time scale between telling Father Wright of sexual abuse and the meeting might suggest - I consider unsound the judge's finding that Mr Magann contemplated seeing a solicitor not in order to obtain compensation, but in order to "get them in gaol". That answer in cross-examination was underlined when the judge set out the cross-examination in his reasons, and was important to his finding, but apart from manifest unreliability in Mr Magann's evidence on this matter it was flawed by his confusion about seeing a solicitor at the DPP, which must have been later in 1994. Within the constraints of the principles in Fox v Percy (2003) 214 CLR 118, the finding was contrary to other compelling material and not protected from challenge by acceptance of Mr Magann's credibility. In my opinion, Mr Magann was aware in 1994 that he could claim compensation for the consequences of the sexual abuse he said he had suffered, and was told that he should see a solicitor about doing so.