33 In Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions - re s 19 of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 Greg James J said in para 56 of his judgment:
"After anxious consideration of the provisions of the Act and the Code, I can find no support for the applicant's submission that the same money or property cannot have both statutory characters of being proceeds and instrument at the one time. I do not see that one character excludes the other. They are not antithetical as the terms are used in the Act and the Code. In ordinary language both terms are capable of being applied to the same property as involved or connected with the same offence. It is the nature of the offence, for example,fraud, theft, money laundering, which defines the relationship of any money involved to the other elements of the offence. Depending on the nature of the offence, money may be used in or in connection with it, and derived or realised from it, including where it is derived from a disposal or other dealing with proceeds of an offence or an instrument of an offence (s 330) including because of a previous application of that section."
34 In para 59 of his judgment Greg James J said:-
"That money might originally have been derived from another crime is essential for it to be the subject of a money laundering offence but that does not mean it is not derived also from a money laundering offence involving a dealing with the money, that is, the instrument of a money laundering offences does not mean, in the common use of language, nor the terms used and defined by application in the Act and the Code that it is not also properly described as proceeds of the offence."
35 Counsel for the trustee submitted that what Greg James J said in these paragraphs of his judgment was not correct or at least not entirely correct or, alternatively, whether under the Proceeds of Crime Act a sum of money can be both an instrument of an offence and proceeds of the same offence depends, as his Honour said, on the nature of the offence and, in the present case, the nature of the offence was such that it could not be said that the sum of $250,000 was proceeds of the offence.
36 Counsel for the Director of Public Prosecutions submitted that I should find that the sum of $250,000 was proceeds of the offence of which Mylecharane had been convicted and referred to Greg James J's judgment in Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions - re s19 of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 and particularly para 59.
37 I do not consider that it is necessary, in order to determine the issue of whether the sum of $250,000 was "proceeds" of Mylecharane's offence, to form any concluded view about the correctness of paras 56 and 59 of the judgment of Greg James J in Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions - re s19 of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002. If his Honour is to be taken as asserting in para 59 of his judgment that it is generally true that, if a sum of money is an "instrument" of an offence within the statutory definition of "instrument", then it is also "proceeds" of the same offence within the statutory definition of "proceeds", then that would seem to be difficult to reconcile with the different definitions of "proceeds" and "instrument" in s 329 of the Act and the terms of s 48(1) and s 48(2), under which there are different consequences depending on whether property or money is "proceeds" of an offence or an "instrument" of an offence.
38 I would accept counsel for the trustee's explanation of the decision of Whealy J in Ronen and, hence, that it is possible, in some cases, for the same sum of money to be both an instrument of an offence and the proceeds of the same offence.
39 I have referred to Ronen and Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions - re s19 of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, because they were referred to in counsel's submissions. However, I consider that I should determine the present question by myself interpreting and applying the statutory provisions.
40 Earlier in this judgment I set out the terms of s 329 of the Act, which provides that property is the proceeds of an offence, if it is wholly or partly derived or realised, whether directly or indirectly, from the commission of the offence. Section 336 of the Act provides that a reference in the Act to a person having "derived" proceeds includes a reference to a person having derived the proceeds directly or indirectly. There is no definition in the Act of the word "realised".
41 The meaning of the word "derived" in s 48(4)(e)(i) of the Proceeds of Crime Act 1987 (Cth) was discussed, to some extent, by Hunt CJ at CL in Director of Public Prosecutions (Commonwealth) v Jeffrey (unreported 15 January 1992). Under s 48(4) of the Proceeds of Crime Act 1987, as then in force, a convicted person could apply for a declaration that property be disregarded for the purposes of s 30 of the Act, which provided, in certain circumstances, for the automatic forfeiture of property subject to a restraining order, on a ground which included that "the property … was not derived by any person from any unlawful activity".
42 In his judgment in Jeffrey Hunt CJ at CL said:-
"The word "derived" as used in s 48(4)(e)(i) is not defined in the statute. Its ordinary meaning is to show the origin or source of the thing said to have been derived … the word should be interpreted in its ordinary sense. It is significant, however, that the derivation may be either direct or indirect".
43 There was an appeal from Hunt CJ at CL's decision in Jeffrey. The leading judgment in the Court of Appeal was given by Cole JA, with whom Handley JA agreed. With respect to the word "derived", Cole JA merely observed that "whether property is derived directly or indirectly from any unlawful activity is a question of fact" and there was no basis for disturbing Hunt CJ at CL's finding of fact that the appellant had not satisfied him that the property in question was not derived directly or indirectly from any unlawful activity.
44 In the Court of Appeal Giles AJA gave a short concurring judgment. His Honour referred to what Hunt CJ at CL and Cole JA had said about the word "derived". His Honour added:-
"While the concept of derivation has regard to the origin or source of the thing said to have been derived, I see no point in substituting for the legislature's word a collection of other words: in particular, I consider that reference to the origin or the source may unduly restrict the fact-finding exercise".
45 There are some differences between the statutory context of the word "derived" in s 48(4)(e)(i) of the Proceeds of Crime Act 1987 and the statutory context in the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002. Nevertheless, I consider that what was said in Jeffrey by Hunt CJ at CL, Cole JA (concurred in by Handley JA) and Giles AJA provides some guidance in the present case.
46 I note that dictionary definitions of the word "derive" include:-
"Arise from, originating in, be descended or obtained from" (Oxford English Dictionary) and "receive or obtain from a source or origin" (Macquarie Dictionary)
47 Dictionary definitions of the word "realise" include:-
"Convert into actuality" (Oxford English Dictionary) and "to make real, or give reality to" (Macquarie Dictionary)