MR LAPIROW: The problem that we face as the plaintiff is the failure of the defendant to subject themselves to cross-examination.
HIS HONOUR: I can assure you, I am alive to that.
MR LAPIROW: The failure of the defendant to discover their books of account. Had they discovered their books of account it is possible, and I cannot say it beyond that, to demonstrate that they were claiming the interest payments as deductions from their income. I cannot say that, that is the case, but what I can say is their books of account would not have assisted them.
HIS HONOUR: Because they were not produced.
MR LAPIROW: Were not discovered, were not produced.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, and Jones v Dunkel applies to documents as well as it applies to witnesses.
MR LAPIROW: And what you are asked to do in relation to the submissions from the Bar table and from the conclusion that Your Honour reaches in reading the passage of Mr Curran's affidavit is that these documents where the two Downes brothers say, 'Yes, this is a particular, an undertaking to repay an additional $X', there is an undertaking to repay and an undertaking to pay interest.
The primary proposition in answer to that is not to rely on Mr Curran's affidavit which says, 'We're not relying on those guarantees', but is to establish an agreement and put it to Mr Curran, the substance of which is that under no circumstances were the Downes required to repay the moneys that were advanced to them, and that was never put. It wasn't pleaded; it wasn't put.
In those circumstances, Your Honour cannot, in my submission, attach weight to that, bearing in mind that execution by the Downes of the deed. I am put at a disadvantage with respect to them not calling or not going into the witness box with respect to the deed. Your Honour is asked to assume, and indeed has assumed, that there were no statements of loan accounts given to the Downes.
They did not get into the witness box and allow me to put the solicitors' letters to them. They did not allow me to put to them the communications that took place between Gadens and themselves from September 2007 up until the time of the meeting and up until the time of the execution of the agreement. Some of that material is in the affidavit of Mr Hinton.