SWEENEY DCJ: Mr Rafferty, are you seeking a Longman direction?
RAFFERTY, MR: I thought about that.
SWEENEY DCJ: It's a bit tricky because we don't know what the delay is, do we?
RAFFERTY, MR: No and we never could. Because with those children there was no point in me cross-examining them because they couldn't do it in chief.
SWEENEY DCJ: No, no. But it's not a case where you would expect forensic evidence.
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RAFFERTY, MR: At least so in relation to [W].
SWEENEY DCJ: We'll put it this way, that opportunity to the extent to which it exists is lost within about 72 hours anyway.
RAFFERTY, MR: Three days, yes, that's right.
SWEENEY DCJ: And you wouldn't expect a Longman direction in those circumstances to cover that - - -
RAFFERTY, MR: No, no, I would certainly - no.
SWEENEY DCJ: But it's not a case where one would see that there's been any loss [in] seizing bedclothes and the like.
RAFFERTY, MR: Well, there's no suggestion of ejaculation or anything like that, so no.
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SWEENEY DCJ: Well, there's issues of whether alibi might be explored, but that - - -
RAFFERTY, MR: Well, that is the - that was the one issue I was thinking of because the absence of any certainty does deprive him of that aspect. 'No, I wasn't there that day' and you have heard evidence there were 10 days where he was away for 10 and a half - or 10 days spells that appear to be contemporaneous with these incidents.
So in that context, your Honour, yes, I would ask that you give a Longman direction. I don't anticipate that your Honour give the 'it would be dangerous to convict' line and I'm not going to ask you to say that, but obviously we'll - - -
SWEENEY DCJ: So perhaps a tailored - - -
RAFFERTY, MR: Yes.
SWEENEY DCJ: I mean I'm planning to direct them anyway that they should look at each child's evidence very carefully.
RAFFERTY, MR: Yes.
SWEENEY DCJ: Because of certain factors, all of which you've mentioned in your closing address.
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SWEENEY DCJ: So perhaps - perhaps a sort of a tailored Longman warning. In terms of not so much a dangerous to convict warning but pointing out that there may be disadvantages because neither child was able to say when it occurred and perhaps that meant that things couldn't be explored.
RAFFERTY, MR: Yes, your Honour, that - I would ask your Honour give that direction (ts 286 - 289).