He takes a particular view of it; you don't have to accept that for one moment. He disagrees with the proposition that instances of sleep-related violence are extremely rare. Remember, I put to him in cross-examination, I said: I put to you that the position is that when people are sleepwalking, you don't see instances of violence. He disagreed with that. He said: one to two percent of adults have had, at least, one episode of sleep-related violence in their lives. One to two percent of adults have, at least, one episode of sleep-related violence in their lives.
Well, that's a very high percentage; it's an awful lot of adults who have, apparently, according to him, experienced sleep-related violence in their lives. Now, we don't know what type of violence he's referring to there, whether it's just someone waking up and slapping their partner; or is he talking about something far more complex, like the scenario that we have here?
Can I say this to you? It can't be that common - that is, sleep-related violence - because, as you would well know, violence tends to occasion the interest of the police, which tends to occasion or bring about criminal charges. No doubt about that. Yet, this sleep expert has never given evidence in any criminal proceedings in Victoria, or elsewhere; never given evidence in any criminal proceedings in relation to sleepwalking in Victoria or any other jurisdiction. So it can't be too common.
Perhaps if he's right, if it is common that sleepwalkers engage in violence, then some of those who come into the city at night and engage in violence, and engage in punch-ons with each other in Queen Street or King Street, were actually just sleepwalking. Got out of their bed in the middle of the night and found their way into the city, engaged in a violent confrontation, then just found their way back home, popped into their warm bed again, not remembering what they've done.
Now, clearly, with that proposition, ladies and gentlemen, I'm seeking to say to you: it's a rather absurd proposition to say that sleep-related violence is a common phenomenon; and, as I say, it's so common that Dr Swieca has never given evidence about it in any criminal proceeding.