123 In addition, a number of people were appointed as observers to PIAC, and the practice seems to have permitted them not only to attend meetings, but, when called upon, to make a contribution to debate. Those observers included Mr McCallum, the CEO of the PPA, Mr Barton of the NT Fisheries Department, and Ms Kennedy, a senior officer in the WA Department of Fisheries, acting as Principal Management Officer (Pearling). There were other departmental observers including, for example, Dr Hart and Dr Jones, officers of the Department of Fisheries who would provide technical advice, and Ms McCrea, the manager of the Pearling and Aquaculture Program at the Department of Fisheries. From time to time, witnesses before me described PIAC as not only an advisory committee, but as a body which tended to act as an industry lobby group. Perhaps, given the membership, that was not surprising.