Turning to the question of contributory negligence the dilemma was, as I have said, put as follows: There was the deceased; evidence was given that he stopped; one inference to be drawn from his stopping is that he looked; if he had looked, he would have seen. The alternative is open that he stopped but did not look. If, however, he did not look, that was contributory negligence. Therefore, there was conclusive evidence of contributory negligence. Reliance was once more placed upon the passages on this subject in the judgments of Griffith, C.J. in Commissioner of Railways v. Leahy [1] , and Fraser v. Victorian Railways Commissioners [1] . I take leave to read what I said - it is a good many years ago I am afraid - on the subject of those passages. In Williams v. Commissioner for Road Transport and Tramways (N.S.W.) [2] , a case otherwise a little remote from this - it was a street accident between a tram and a pedestrian - the same dilemma was put forward, and this is what I said: "The judgment of the Full Court proceeds upon reasoning, with which we are all familiar, which places the plaintiff's husband in this dilemma: either he did look and saw the tram, in which case to proceed would be negligent; or he did not look, in which case his failure to look was negligence. Passages were cited from Fraser v. The Victorian Railways Commissioners [3] , and The Commissioner of Railways v. Leahy [4] . It must be remembered, in dealing with the observations of Sir Samuel Griffith C.J. in those cases, that they were observations on facts and do not profess to be laying down principles of law. He was dealing with what were the necessary deductions of fact to be made in those cases from the circumstances disclosed by the evidence. It will often be found that the mode of reasoning employed is applicable in dealing with questions of fact which must be submitted for decision by the jury. Less often will it be found applicable when the jury's verdict has passed against the defendant and the question is whether the verdict was open to the jury. An apparent dilemma is often found imperfect, and it is so in this case, because it omits more than one possible explanation" [5] .