Statement of George Chaina dated 8 February 2010
25There are some generalised objections in the first instance. Paragraphs 26 - 45 are objected to on the basis of their form, their relevance and it is submitted that the material contains no nexus to any issue in the proceedings. It seems to me that, in the absence of the formal qualifications previously claimed by George Chaina, he will be endeavouring to show expertise and knowledge through experience in different occupations particularly in those involving chemical products. The material contained in these paragraphs is relevant for that purpose. I do not consider the generality of the material excludes it on the basis of its form.
26Objection was also taken to paragraphs 48 - 118 on the same basis. Again, it seems to me that this evidence is relevant showing the background to the position of the business in the 1990s as well as demonstrating how George Chaina acquired the knowledge and expertise which he now claims. The Defendants also claim that the evidence offends s 102 of the Evidence Act which makes inadmissible credibility evidence about a witness. I do not consider that the rule is offended because the evidence does not appear to me to be used to give the witness credibility but rather to provide the basis for his claimed knowledge and expertise.
27It is necessary, therefore, to consider the individual paragraphs for specific objections.
Paragraph number Category of Objection Ruling
47 Form All but the first sentence is rejected. It is, in any event, irrelevant.
50 - third sentence Form, conclusion The words "a large number of" are rejected.
53 Form Admitted
54 Form, conclusion Admitted
55 Form, hearsay in respect of the conversation The paragraph is admitted up to the words "finally rinsing them". The remainder of the paragraph is rejected.
56 Form The words in the third sentence "a full range of" are rejected. The remainder of the paragraph is admitted.
57 - first sentence Form The word "significant" is rejected - the remainder of the sentence is admitted.
57 - last two sentences Form The sentences are admitted excluding the words "predominantly because there were very few people at the auction who knew what most of the products were".
58 Form The last sentence is rejected. The remainder of the paragraph is admitted.
59 - fourth sentence to end of paragraph Form, comment The objected-to portions of the paragraph are admitted excluding the sentence which reads "a number of other organisations had received similar commissions" and the words in the antepenultimate sentence "as superior to all others".
60 - other than the last two sentences Form The first sentence is rejected. The remainder of the paragraph is admitted.
61 - other than the first sentence Form Admitted
64 Form Admitted
67 - second to sixth sentences Form The words in the sixth sentence commencing "and on almost every occasion" to the end of the sentence are rejected. The remainder of the paragraph is admitted.
68 - the conversation evidence Hearsay, relevance, form The sentence commencing "I put to Pearce" to the end of the paragraph is rejected.
70 Form Admitted
71 - fourth sentence to end of paragraph Form, expert evidence The portion commencing with the fourth sentence down to the words "the competitors product and" are rejected. The remainder is admitted.
72 Form, hearsay The first four sentences are rejected. The remainder is admitted.
73 Form, hearsay The first sentence is admitted. The words in the penultimate sentence "we were granted the contract" are admitted and the last sentence is admitted. The remainder is rejected.
74 - third sentence to end of paragraph Form The last two sentences are admitted. The remainder of the portion is rejected.
77 - last sentence Form Rejected
78 - second sentence to end of paragraph Form Rejected
80 - apart from first sentence Form, comment Rejected
81 - last sentence Admitted
82 - last sentence Admitted
83 - second sentence to end of paragraph Form, relevance The second sentence is admitted. The fifth sentence ("As I have indicated above") is admitted. The remainder is rejected.
84 Form, relevance Rejected but the Plaintiffs are given leave to lead admissible evidence in relation to the contracts obtained with specified hotels.
85 Form, relevance The first two sentences are admitted, the remainder is rejected.
86 - apart than last sentence Form, comment Rejected. The evidence does not concern relevant products.
87 - first sentence Form Rejected
88 Form Admitted
89 - third sentence to end of paragraph Form Admitted
90-97 Form Paragraph 92 from the second sentence to the end is rejected. Paragraph 93 from the third sentence to the end is rejected. Paragraph 94 - the first two sentences are rejected. Paragraph 95 is rejected except for the words "we supplied Mr Whippy and Just Juice" and the last two sentences. Paragraphs 96 and 97 are rejected. The remainder of these paragraphs are admitted.
98 - first sentence and words in the second sentence "to deal with this expansion" Rejected
98 - third, fourth, fifth and sixth sentences Form Rejected
98 - sentence commencing "consistent with this expansion" Form, comment Admitted
98 - last sentence Form, relevance Rejected
100 - 110 Form, relevance, hearsay These paragraphs are rejected but with leave to the Plaintiffs to make further submissions as to why they should be admitted. They are rejected at present on the basis of form, hearsay and relevance.
114 - last sentence Form Rejected.
115 Form, comment Rejected
116 Form Rejected
117 - last sentence Form, speculation, expert evidence Rejected
119 - third sentence Form Rejected
120 Form The first sentence is rejected. The second sentence up to and including the words "delivery system" is rejected. The remainder is admitted.
121 Form Admitted
122 - 142 Form, hearsay, speculation, expert evidence Subject to specific matters these paragraphs are admitted. They suffer from form problems in that they purport to be a general description or summary of the matters referred to. They are only admitted as providing general evidence of what the witness said he had done. Some of the evidence is expert evidence and is admitted subject to it being established that the witness has expertise and subject to issues associated with the adoption of the Expert Witness Code of Conduct. The generality of the evidence means that it is of limited probative value in establishing precisely what the Plaintiffs had formulated and achieved at the relevant time. Matters requiring special comment are these:
Para 122 - the ninth and tenth sentences ("the feedback that I received ... incredibly easy to use") are rejected.
Para 123 - the second and third sentences are admitted only as the witness's belief in the matters set out. The words in the last sentence ("while still providing...") to the end of the paragraph are rejected.
Para 124 - the fifth and sixth sentences ("my experience ... with multiple bills") are admitted only as the witness's belief in those matters.
Para 126 - the words in the fifth sentence ("and I found it produced fantastic results") are rejected.
Para 129 - only the first sentence is admitted.
Para 134 - the last two sentences are rejected.
Para 137 - only the first sentence is admitted.
Para 138 - the fifth and sixth sentences ("The samples ... market at that time") are rejected.
Para 139 - the last sentence is rejected.
Para 140 - the first sentence is rejected. The eighth sentence ("This again was a technological revolution") is rejected. The 14th sentence ("As at 1999 ...") is rejected. In the last sentence the words "As at 1999 ... an international company" are rejected.
Para 141 - the first sentence is rejected.
The remaining evidence in paragraphs 133, 139, 140 and 141 is expert evidence and is admitted subject to the witness establishing his expertise and subject to the adoption of the Expert Witness Code of Conduct.
Para 142 - only the first sentence is admitted.
143 (a) - from the words "for the owner of the laundry" to the end of the sub-paragraph Form Rejected
143(b) from the words "the PLC systems" to the end of the paragraph Form The first two sentences in the portion objected to are admitted. The remainder commencing "For example" to the end of the paragraph are rejected.
144 - 148 Form, hearsay, speculation, expert evidence The comments concerning form and the generality of the evidence made with respect to paragraphs 122 to 142 above apply here also. In addition, the following specific rulings are made:
Para 144 - the third sentence is admitted only as a statement of the witness's belief.
Para 145 - the word "unprecedented" in the last sentence is rejected.
Para 146 - the first two sentences are admitted. The remainder are rejected.
Para 147 - the first sentence is rejected. The sentence commencing "at the conclusion of the trial" and the next sentence including the conversation are rejected.
Para 148 - rejected.
149 Form, opinion, hearsay Admitted
150 Form, hearsay The words in the last sentence "who informed me" to the end of the sentence are rejected.
151 Form, opinion, hearsay, speculation The first sentence is rejected - conclusion. From the words "At pages 109 to 111" to the end of the paragraph rejected - hearsay and conclusion.
152 Relevance Rejected
153 Form, opinion, hearsay, expert evidence The second sentence, the penultimate sentence and the final sentence are rejected.
156 - 158 Form, speculation, expert evidence The paragraphs are rejected as constituting expert evidence. The witness's expertise has not yet been established but in any event he has not adopted the Expert Witness Code of Conduct. Leave is given to the Plaintiffs to have these paragraphs reinstated if appropriate. Notwithstanding any such leave, in paragraph 158 the words in the fourth sentence ("We're incredibly successful as the") are rejected and the final sentence is rejected.
161 - 169 Form, hearsay, speculation, expert evidence At para 161 the third sentence is rejected. In the fifth sentence the word "innovative" is rejected.
The last two sentences are expert evidence. They are rejected at the present time with leave to the Plaintiffs to apply for them to reinstated if appropriate.
Para 162 - the first sentence is admitted. The second sentence is rejected.
Para 164 - the first sentence is admitted. The remainder is rejected.
Para 166 - the first two sentences are admitted. The remainder is rejected.
Paras 168 & 169 - rejected - further the relevance of these paragraphs is not apparent. Para 169 concludes by referring to the fire and saying "the project stalled at that time and was not thereafter pursued".
170 - 171 Form, hearsay, speculation, expert evidence Para 170 is rejected for the same reasons paras 168 - 169 were rejected.
Para 171 - the third and fourth sentences are admitted only as to the witness's belief in the matters set out.
172 Form Admitted
173 - 175 Form, hearsay, speculation, expert evidence This is expert evidence and is rejected but with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
176 - from the sentence commencing "through reverse engineering" to the end of the paragraph Form This is expert evidence and is rejected but with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate. The third last sentence and the final sentence of the paragraph are, nevertheless, rejected.
179 - from the sentence commencing "the results of these EMPA to the end of the paragraph Form Rejected
180 - 182 Form, hearsay, speculation, expert evidence Para 180 - the first and last sentences are rejected. The remainder is admitted.
Para 181 is rejected. The products are not specifically identified.
Para 182 - the first two sentences are rejected - form and hearsay. The remainder of the paragraph is expert evidence and is rejected with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
183 - the first sentence Form, speculation, expert evidence This is expert evidence and is rejected with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
184 Form, speculation, expert evidence This is expert evidence and is rejected with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
186 Form, speculation, expert evidence This is expert evidence and is rejected with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
192 - 194, 196, 197 - from the sentence commencing "I reverse engineered" to the end of the paragraph, 199 - from the 5th sentence to the end of the paragraph, 200, 201, 202, 204 (except the second sentence) and 205 commencing with the words "I have researched the use of" to the end of the paragraph Form, speculation, expert evidence, no primary facts stated Para 192 - the words in the final sentence commencing "which I was confident" to the end of the paragraph are rejected. The second, seventh and remaining part of the eighth sentence are expert evidence which is rejected but with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate. The remainder of the paragraph is admitted.
Para 193 - the first sentence to the words "liquid laundry market" are rejected. The remainder is admitted.
Para 194 - This is expert evidence and is rejected with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
Para 196 - rejected.
Para 197 - the objected portion is rejected as expert evidence but with leave to the Plaintiffs to have it reinstated if appropriate.
The portion of para 199 objected to and paras 200 & 201 are rejected as expert evidence with leave to the Plaintiffs to reinstate if appropriate; however, the last and 4th last sentences of para 201 are rejected in any event
Para 202 - the first two sentences are rejected as expert evidence but with leave to the Plaintiffs to reinstate if appropriate. The remainder of the paragraph is admitted.
Para 204 - the first sentence is admitted. The last sentence is rejected.
Para 205 - the objected portion is rejected as expert evidence with leave to the Plaintiffs to reinstate if appropriate.
207 - 209 Relevance These paragraphs form part of the group of paragraphs objected to as being irrelevant in the industrial products case. For reasons given earlier the paragraphs should not be rejected for that reason because the material in them is admissible background material and is also capable of being used as support for any assertion that George Chaina has acquired knowledge and expertise. Paragraphs 208 and 209 are further objected to on the basis of conclusion, speculation and expert evidence.
Para 208(a) - the last sentence is rejected.
Para 208(e) - the last sentence is rejected.
Para 209 - the second sentence, the penultimate sentence and the final sentence are rejected.
210 - the second sentence Form, conclusion, speculation, expert evidence The reference to the Statement of 24 December 2009 and GC4 is not understood.
212 and 213 (b) Form, conclusion, speculation, no primary facts stated, Except for the last two sentences of para 213(b) this evidence is only admissible as the witness's belief in the conclusions he formed leading him to take the steps referred to in the last two sentences of para 213(b). They are not evidence of the facts stated.
expert evidence
215 - from the sentence commencing "this book was in fact" to the end of the paragraph and 216 Form, speculation, no primary facts stated, non-discovery Rejected. If the evidence is solely for the purpose of showing expert knowledge in the witness leave is granted to adduce the evidence in proper form.
222 - 224 Conclusion, speculation, no primary facts stated, The witness may give evidence of what tests were carried out but the explanations in para 224 constitute expert evidence which are rejected with leave to the Plaintiffs to reinstate if appropriate. The fact of the testing does not appear to be probative of anything.
expert evidence
225 Conclusion, speculation, no primary facts stated, Rejected. The evidence consists of conclusions with no facts. It appears to be irrelevant because the products concerned ceased to be manufactured after the fire in 1993 as the paragraph discloses.
expert evidence
226 - from the second sentence to the words "then the range could be expanded" Conclusion, speculation, no primary facts stated, Rejected. The portions objected to contain conclusions unsupported by primary facts.
expert evidence
226(b) - the last sentence Conclusion, speculation, no primary facts stated, Rejected
expert evidence
229 - from the fourth sentence to the end of the paragraph Relevance, form, speculation, conclusion, no primary facts, expert evidence Rejected
230(c) Form, expert evidence, no primary facts stated Admitted
231 Form, hearsay Rejected
234 - second sentence Form Rejected
235 - last sentence Form, hearsay Rejected
236 Form, hearsay Rejected
238 Form, hearsay Rejected
239 - fourth sentence to the end of the paragraph Form, hearsay Rejected
240 - commencing "the product was a single use" to the end of the paragraph Form, hearsay Rejected
241 - the second sentence to the end of the paragraph Hearsay Rejected
242(b) - from the third sentence to the end of the sub-paragraph Speculation, conclusion, no primary facts stated, expert evidence Rejected
242(d) - the words in the sentence from "I commissioned" to the end of the sentence Form, expert evidence Rejected
242(d) - the last sentence Form, relevance Rejected
242 - final sub-paragraph Form, relevance and hearsay Rejected
246 - the words in the fifth sentence commencing "products which were innovative" to the end of the sentence Form, speculation Rejected
247 - the fifth sentence to the end of the paragraph Relevance Rejected
249 Relevance, form, speculation, conclusion, expert evidence Rejected
250 - the first sentence Form, speculation, conclusion, no primary facts stated, expert evidence Rejected
254 & 255 Relevance Rejected
261 Relevance Rejected
262 - from the second sentence to the end of the paragraph Relevance Rejected
264 - from the third sentence to the end of the paragraph Relevance, hearsay Rejected
265 - from the fifth sentence to the end of the paragraph Form, Relevance Rejected
287 - last sentence Form, expert evidence Admitted
289 - last sentence including the conversation Hearsay Rejected
291 Form, relevance, hearsay Admitted up to the sentence commencing "I recall Gerard Martin" - thereafter rejected
293 - the last sentence including the conversation Hearsay Rejected
296 - from the last sentence to the end of the paragraph Hearsay Rejected
297 Hearsay Rejected
298 Form, speculation, conclusion, expert evidence Rejected down to and including the words "purchase arrangement". The remainder is admitted.
306 - the third sentence Hearsay Rejected
311 - the last two sentences Form, speculation, conclusion, expert evidence Rejected
312 - the last sentence Speculation, conclusion, hearsay Rejected
313 - the fourth and fifth sentences Speculation, conclusion, expert evidence Rejected
315 - except the first sentence Form, hearsay, speculation, conclusion, expert evidence Rejected
316 - from the words in the third sentence "where he said to me" to the end of the paragraph Form, hearsay Rejected
317 - apart from the last sentence Form and relevance Admitted only as the belief of the witness
320 - from the second sentence to the end of the paragraph Relevance Rejected
321 - from the second sentence to the end of the paragraph Form and relevance Rejected
325 - the last sentence Form Rejected as to form. In addition it is difficult to see its relevance
329 - the last three sentences Form, speculation, conclusion, no primary facts, expert evidence Rejected
330 - second sentence to the end of the paragraph Form, speculation, conclusion, no primary facts stated, expert evidence Rejected
331 - from the sentence commencing "during the course of that meeting" to the end of the paragraph Hearsay, relevance Rejected
333 - from the second sentence to the end of the paragraph Hearsay, relevance Rejected
335 - from the last sentence ("at the conclusion") to the end of the paragraph Hearsay Rejected
338 - from the fifth sentence ("I recall attending") to the end of the ninth sentence ("relationship with karma") Form, speculation, conclusion, no primary facts stated, expert evidence These sentences are admitted except for the words "which were successful" in the eighth sentence and the words after the word "premises" in the ninth sentence.
339 - the last sentence including the conversation Relevance Rejected
340 - the last sentence including the conversation Hearsay Rejected
343 - the words in the penultimate sentence "while in course of reverse engineering a number of products" Form, speculation, conclusion, no primary facts stated, expert evidence Rejected because of its form. Leave to the Plaintiffs to lead admissible evidence on the point.
349 - second sentence to end of the paragraph Form, hearsay, speculation Rejected
361 Relevance, hearsay The first two sentences are rejected as irrelevant. The third, fourth and fifth sentences are admitted. The final sentences containing the conversation are rejected as hearsay.
371 - last sentence including the conversation Relevance Rejected.