235 This allegation is founded on comments made to the investigator by Mr Sweet during the course of interview on 30 July 2007. The record of interview is attached to Ms Christoph's Statement (Ex 14, att. 4).
236 Throughout the interview Mr Sweet was uncomplimentary towards DJJ, the investigation process, and prescribed methods of restraint known as Work Practice III, which he put had been discredited and was unworkable.
237 At question 20 of the investigation interview Mr Sweet said:
"They're big boys some of these boys and they punch like bloody …like a man and the punches come real quick, you know? And according to 'Work Practice Three' you cover up and roll with the punches. Get real: they'd slaughter you. No."
238 At question 21 Mr Sweet asserted that investigators in the Department of Corrective Services had all worked in the job and understood the circumstances that confronted officers, however, in DJJ he put:
"…the so-called 'Professional Conduct', okay? - they have a real anti-Youth Officer bias. I've seen them destroy careers, okay? And there's examples I could give off the top of my head right now, you know? And...yeah. And it's changing because the...the...all the members on the floor are sick to death of it, you know? And sick to death of having the first thing that comes into your head, "Is this going to cost me my job?" before we go into a use of force situation.
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I'm a fifty-one-year-old male, okay? I don't bounce like I used to. I hurt easy. you know? And I keep myself reasonably fit but I'm not Jackie Chan, okay? I avoid use of force situations all the time; I hate use of force situations. I always get a bit hurt. okay?
You... The point is none of us like use of force situations. And yet you ...the bloody Professional Conduct look on as all as if we're the criminals, as if we're the ones that are causing the trouble. And the kids know that they can make allegations against workers. They've said to workers, "I'll have your job." You know? They know it.
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They all get together and talk. It's so easy for them to make false allegations against workers and the Department runs with it. Not only that, but the Department of Juvenile Justice appears to actually be fostering a…a…a culture of division, where if a Youth Officer makes a false allegation against another Youth Officer."
239 Mr Sweet offered some examples of allegations by youth officers against other youth officers which had been discredited, though not before causing considerable difficulty for those officers subject to the baseless allegations.
240 At question 23 Mr Sweet said:
"I believe Professional Conduct are using bullying tactics I believe they are - what would the word be? It's institutionalized bullying of Youth Officers. None of them have any floor experience, okay? I've seen … I've been here and been questioned by a young female from Professional conduct, younger than my daughter."
241 Mr Sweet also informed the investigator:
"We're not the criminals here. We're the ones who keep a lid on what goes down in these Centres."
242 At question 33 of the interview with the investigator Mr Sweet was critical of some staff who, despite training, avoid difficult situations where detainees misbehave, and consequently avoid any risk of complaint or investigation, however, having allowed detainees to get away with minor rudeness or misbehaviour embolden them, making the tasks of youth officers in subsequent shifts more difficult. Mr Sweet said:
"Someone else comes onto shift, a shift or two later, and this kid's been getting away with it with this crew and then he tries it with me or someone else and they take the person to task. "Hang on, mate. That's out of line. You'll be getting a Minor Misbehaviour."
243 Mr Sweet recounted an event to the investigator where a detainee tried to stab him with a wooden shiv. Mr Sweet said:
"If it wasn't for another Youth Officer, I would've had that shiv in my back, okay? He bashed himself up, scratched himself around, made him look like a truck had run over him down there in the confinement room, and then tried to say that I jumped all over his head. And it was disproven"
244 During the course of the interview Mr Sweet maintained that he did his job well, informing the investigator that:
"I've got their respect down there. I joke with them. I've defused so many different potential incidences, it's uncountable, as a lot of Youth Officers do. But, it's the ones that step up, the ones that place themselves in danger or whatever, or place themselves in a difficult situation working for the greater good of the Centre, working to look after the young people in our care - we're the ones that are getting our names mentioned all the time.
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We're not dealing with babies here; with nine-year old boys. Some of these kids fight like men....fight better than men. They're the size of men, you know? And a lot of them have got, you know, issues that.... where they need intensive treatment to deal with and they throw them in here. And now, with the ice coming in, it's going to get worse.
And until Professional Conduct learn to suss out the client base that we're dealing with and then start to support the Youth Officers a bit more, instead of throwing them to the dogs every time, okay, people won't be game to use force. There'll be a fight going on and people won't step in between it, you know?
And then what will they do? Charge us with failing to act. We're in a lose-lose situation here. You know?"
245 The conclusion of the interview at question 36 is:
"CS Thank you, Geoff. And I apologise.
37.Q No, don't apologise.
CS I've got no negative energy at you at all.
38.Q Well, my last question is do either of you have any complaint or concern about the way this interview's been conducted.
CS No. It's very professional and I appreciate the opportunity you've given me ."
246 In his affidavit of evidence Mr Sweet refers to this aspect of the interview (Ex 3, para 8):
"8. Further, in relation to my record of interview I wish to withdraw the negative comments that I made about the department of juvenile justice generally and the Professional Conduct Unit, particularly in my answers to question 21, question 22, question 23 and question 33. As I have explained it was a very stressful period for me. I was very frustrated and upset and angry about the nature of the allegations against me which I did not, and still do not believe are justified and I directed my anger and frustration towards others, which was wrong."
247 Mr Sweet repeated the concerns expressed to the investigator in writing to the Director General of the DJJ (Ex 14 Annex. D): Mr Sweet addresses this correspondence in the following terms (Ex 3, para 9):
"9. I refer to Annexure D of Mrs Christoph's affidavit which is my written submission in this matter to the then Director General. Also at the time of writing this submission I was still very shocked, angry and upset. I wish to withdraw my negative comments about Youth Officer Deborah Adams, the Department and the Investigator. I would have no difficulty in the future working for DJJ and working with Youth Officer Adams at Acmena Juvenile Justice Centre. I just want to put this matter behind me and continue with my chosen profession, working with young people."
248 I accept Mr Sweet's evidence and the submission of Mr Papas that Mr Sweet was under considerable strain.
249 It is unfair and unreasonable, in my opinion, for the Respondent to expect Mr Sweet to be open and frank with the investigator and then to hold his opinions, as compared to an explanation of the facts, against him.
250 Mr Sweet expressed his concerns and "vented" to the investigator, providing the DJJ with valuable feedback that it could use objectively to identify areas of policy reinforcement and improve management practices.
251 I note that the interview with the investigator concluded amicably with Mr Sweet expressing appreciation for the opportunity given to him.
252 Mr Sweet had every right and cause to be upset and offended that Ms Adams' report which, without any factual basis, attributed malice to Mr Sweet by inclusion of the reference to "a crazed look on his face".
253 Mr Sweet was also entitled to be upset and offended by the weight given to this by the DJJ.
254 The fact that Mr Sweet has reconciled himself to accept this and understand that he misdirected his anger and frustration is to his credit.
255 I acknowledge Ms Anderson's submission that a primary role of the DJJ is behaviour modification and that youth officers are to be role models and to demonstrate that violence is not the solution to issues. I note from Mr Sweet's evidence that he understood this and conducted himself accordingly.
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