The evidence of Ms Hart and the sequence of meetings
75 I commence with a meeting between Ms Hart, Mr Hu and the respondents on 7 April 2017. Mr Ripani gave evidence in chief that he attended that meeting with the hard copy promotional book that he had earlier received upon his first attendance at the display suite in January 2017. His evidence was not given sequentially. Prior to the meeting, he and Mrs Ripani had prepared a handwritten list of matters to be discussed, which he transmitted by email to Mr Tran on 4 April 2017. His covering email in part reads:
As per our phone conversation. This is a rough on the briefs we would like to discuss with the Architect. You have seen our apartment and you can understand what we are looking for with this new one. We are keen to sit in with the Architect to have something discussed and drawn up.
Please advise when we will be able to meet.
Also as discussed with the comment included on the signed contract, the 21 one (sic) day cooling off period should be effective once we have had the drawings done and all confirmed.
76 The attached handwritten note under the title "Brief" lists as the first item: "inside/outside to blend seamlessly. Same colour finish inside to outside. Timber and stone". This note is evidence that the respondents intended to discuss the façade opening at the meeting.
77 Returning to the meeting, Mr Ripani said in evidence (from T 386):
…---Well, I had the hard copy book with me. I had opened it up to the page of the render, and I expressed how much we loved the open space, the door opening, and the whole flow-through from the living to the outdoor area. We really like that, but we weren't really keen on the interior design, and we would like to do something that was more us.
And did you give any sort of description about what might be necessary to make the interior of the apartment more you?--- Well, we just said we weren't overly thrilled with what was put forward, and Kate had said that Rothelowman had some of their own interior designs, which she had actually brought out to have a look at.
Before I take you to that, was anything said to you when you raise the fact that you really love the open design, to suggest that might be---?--- Nothing was ever raised.
--- not part of the design of the apartment? Sorry?--- Nothing was ever raised.
78 The witness was then taken to the draft Rothelowman plan, confirmed that he recognised it and stated that it was presented by Ms Hart at the meeting. His evidence was that she said this was a plan that he and the respondents could look at, and they did. They expressed the view that they liked that plan more than the earlier concept plan. His evidence continued (from T 387):
Do you recall anything further about what was discussed amongst the people that were at that first meeting before it came to an end on the first occasion?--- Not really. We had made a number of comments about the floor plan and Kate was going to have a look at it and come back with a revised drawing.
…
From memory, it was simply whether you could recall whether anything else was discussed before that meeting came to an end apart from the one - matters that you've referred - you've told His Honour about?…Nothing else was discussed.
By the end of the first meeting, what was your belief as to what the apartment that you are purchasing, what its appearance would be where the interior meets the exterior along the terrace by the pool?--- Well, our understanding was that we were going to have---
Ms Costello: Objection.
Mr Stuckey: no, not we, what was your---?--- Sorry. Sorry.
--- Personal understanding, Mr Ripani?--- My - my understanding was that we were now focusing on the interior, because everything else was a given.
All right. And when you say it was given look, what did you think that was?--- The large, open door….
Was anything said in the course of that meeting when Ms Hart produced that Rothelowman plan to describe what sort of wall or barrier was drawn in that plan? Was that the subject of discussion, about what was shown in the plan between the terrace and the interior of the apartment?--- Absolutely not.
79 The meeting of 7 April 2017 occurred on a Friday. The following Monday, 10 April 2017, Mr Ripani emailed Ms Hart and said:
Good morning Kate.
It was really nice to meet you last Friday, Nina and I were quite excited about your floorplans that you had drawn up as an option to the ones we had seen. We look forward to seeing some revisions based on our discussions to your floor plans.
For now are you able to forward us your initial drawings you had done as Nina and I would love to look at them thoroughly.
Also when you have a chance could you please call as I would like to discuss the curved wall in the main living area.
Please advise,
Thanks again for your time on Friday it was really good,
80 Ms Hart replied to the respondents by email later on 10 April 2017. She attached a draft floor plan for apartment 1401, which is undated and is not designated by an alphabetical option letter:
81 Her email contains no relevant observations, apart from the fact that the attachments were floor plans for apartments 1401 and 1417. The plan for 1401 (when viewed in A3 format) clearly depicts two sliding doors with fixed mullions on the western façade between the pool and outdoor living area and the internal living and entertainment areas. This plan includes the relatively prominent note that: "Window size and location may vary. Refer to level plans for window locations". Just what was meant by level plans was not explored in the evidence and no finding of meaning was made by the primary judge.
82 Mr Ripani responded by email on 11 April 2017, commencing with the sentence: "Thanks for the floor plans" and continued:
However, what we really wanted was not just the floor plan for Apartment 1401 but a copy of all the coloured images that you had drawn up for 1401. It was the coloured images of the Bar area, the walk in Cellar and so on.
I'm assuming its a big file but are you able to send it as a zip file or can you down load (sic) it onto a USB that I could collect if this is not a problem… Nina and I want to go over all the drawing (sic) you had for level 1401.
Also with regards to 1401 we want to talk to you about this wall that divides the two areas in the living room.
83 Ms Hart responded on 12 April 2017 and attached the Design Development Presentation for apartment 1401 as "presented to you last Friday". That document is in concept form. It briefly describes the design approach, the location, the derivation of the building form and includes concept floor plans. She added that: "please note that the images and design are all work (sic) in progress and not final, resolved images". The attachments included four versions of the concept plan for apartment 1401, each of which clearly depicts the intended door openings with mullions on the western façade together with sliding doors which are pellucid in illustrating that with the doors open, the maximum width was much less than as depicted in the render and that only two sliding doors were proposed. As an example there is this plan:
84 Mr Ripani replied to Ms Hart later that day by email as follows:
Hi Kate,
Exactly what I was asking for… Got it and downloaded it… Awesome… Thank you…
We are looking forward to seeing your revised drawings based on our discussions…
We will look at the small study in relation to the pool as well.
Also can we discuss the curved wall early next week as this Thursday might be a little difficult for me. I'm pretty much free any time next week.
We have to get you to Prima at some stage as well.
Thanks again and talk soon,
Cheers,
85 To this Ms Hart replied by email: "Yes we are looking into the variations to the planning as discussed last Friday. We will aim to have something back to you by Tuesday, Wednesday of next week". That timeframe was not achieved by Ms Hart. Rather, on 26 April 2017 she emailed Mr Hu a revised floor plan Option A for apartment 1401 "for further client comment". Mr Tran forwarded that email to Mr Ripani later that day. Of the Option A plan, Mr Ripani said in evidence (T 391):
Now, did you personally look at that plan when it was received from Kevin Tran in April 2017?--- Yes, I did.
And did you - what about it, did you note, if anything?--- Items that we had discussed at the time to be actioned were done, so - in particular the chevron flooring that runs outside.
86 This evidence indicates that the respondents gave studied consideration to the Design Development Presentation. Mr Ripani confirmed as much when questioned about the differences between the plans in the Design Development Presentation and the draft Rothelowman plan (from T 390):
Did you notice whether there were any changes about that plan from the earlier one you had been shown?--- Yes. The chevron flooring we - Kate had suggested that we take the chevron flooring pattern to the outside, so that when all the doors are open you had that seamless flow-through effect. So that was one of the main…
Let me ask you firstly, when was - when did Kate Hart say that?--- At the meeting.
That's the first meeting?--- Yes.
And did she use those words, that you're - to the best of your recollection, did she use those words?--- To the best of my recollection.
His Honour: So chevron, describing what might also be described as herringbone pattern, is that it?--- Yes.
87 On 26 April 2017, Mr Tran emailed the respondents and attached the Option A, revision A floor plan for the apartment dated 26 April 2017. That plan clearly depicts an alteration to the proposed glass door arrangement with fixed mullions on the western façade with an opening opposite the fireplace formed by sliding doors at significantly less width than the render:
88 The alteration to the proposed doors is that on this plan three sliding doors are depicted, with the widest opposite the fireplace. That plan is drawn to a scale of 1:100 at A3 size which allows one to accurately determine that opening width at 3.6m.
89 On 3 May 2017, Ms Hart met with the respondents. The evidence from Ms Hart of what was discussed at the meeting is somewhat unsatisfactory in that she could not precisely recall the date, which she wrongly assumed was 8 May 2017, which is the date marked on a revision of the Option B floor plan, on which she made handwritten annotations. As the primary judge correctly found, that plan could not have been discussed at a meeting that occurred before it was revised and annotated.
90 The plans were further revised. On 8 May 2017, Mr Tran emailed the Option A, revision B and Option B floor plans to the respondents. I reproduce each.
91 Option A, revision B is:
92 Option B is:
93 Each of those plans clearly depict the proposed arrangement of the doors on the western façade as comprising several openings with fixed mullions and an opening formed by sliding doors which, consistently with Option A revision A, records the position of the sliding doors opposite the fireplace. The width of the opening is ascertainable by scaling. On each plan three sliding doors are depicted, with the widest opposite the fireplace. Once again, it is clear on objective analysis, and without resort to scaling, that the proposed opening is manifestly smaller than depicted in the render.
94 On 10 May 2017, Mr Ripani emailed Mr Tran and Ms Hart and said in part:
The revised Drawings look really good. Attached is Option A and this is the floor Plan We like. Three small issues that we need to discuss but nothing too major.
95 The three points then listed related to the size of the powder room and the ability to increase the number of fridges in the larder, the arrangement of the kitchen area and the placement of the television on a shelving system. Objectively assessed from the Option A plan, the visual appearance and arrangement of the windows and opening on the western façade is no less prominent than the detail of the three matters specifically mentioned by Mr Ripani.
96 On 26 May 2017, the respondents met with Ms Hart and Mr Tran. Other than recording the broad submission of the appellant that during "meetings" in May and June 2017, at which time Ms Hart explained to the respondent the intended position of the doors on the western façade at PJ [160], the only finding of fact that the primary judge made about this meeting is at PJ [199]:
The only meetings which occurred between the Ripanis and Ms Hart in May 2017 were those held on 3 May 2017 and 26 May 2017. At the first meeting in May 2017, Option B did not yet exist because it was not created until 8 May 2017 and thus it could not have been annotated in the presence of the Ripanis on 3 May 2017. It is theoretically possible that Ms Hart's evidence about annotations to the Option B floor plan occurred at the second meeting in May 2017. However, if that was the meeting she had in mind, again it is inconsistent with Mr Ripani's email of 10 May 2017, in which he explained that the Ripanis had already reached the view that: "Option A...is the floor Plan We like." In any event, the annotations made by Ms Hart on the Option B floor plan are merely pen strokes (see Annexure V).
97 Ms Hart's evidence was that at the meeting on 26 May 2017, she produced and discussed with the respondent Options A and B, despite the fact that Mr Ripani had advised by email of 10 May 2017 that Option A was the floor plan "[w]e like". She said that at the meeting she made handwritten notes on the Option A and B plans which recorded certain of the matters discussed with the respondents.
98 Option A as annotated is:
99 Option B as annotated is:
100 There was considerable cross-examination of Ms Hart as to how it could have been the case that Option B was discussed at the meeting of 26 May 2017, when it had earlier been made clear by Mr Ripani in his email of 10 May 2017 that Option A was preferred. It is fair to observe that Ms Hart did not give clear or satisfactory evidence in answer to those questions.
101 In consequence, and as might be expected, this topic was returned to in the re-examination of Ms Hart where she explained the notations which she made on each of these plans as follows (from T 687):
… The-the-looking at the - the notes or comments that I've written on the plans, indicates to me that this has been a - a conversation rather than - and a directive from someone to me in relation to my noting down particular brand names for appliances, a teppanyaki, a wok, and a gas and induction. That's obviously somebody's wish. So that has been a direction to me. The relocation of the fireplace proposed within the master bedroom to be placed against the wall, the idea of a large pivot door; those things have been - those notes - also just the arrow between the dining room and the barbecue area shows a location for a crossover between internal and external. Those all look like - those are directives. They're not something that I have instigated myself.
And who are they directives from?--- I would say there - they would be a directive from the Ripanis, as this is their apartment.
…
Okay. And why - why - well, can you tell His Honour now, looking at both 1919 [Option A] and 1918 [Option B], can you say anything about what meeting 1918 was at?--- I believe that was at the same meeting. Because looking…
Why?--- Because there is the same - there's the location of the fireplaces, there's comments on the fireplaces. Unless it's something that hasn't been picked up prior to. Also the - the - I mean, in the 1918, well, there's the comments about making the laundry larger and making the - the storage room smaller. And also the fact that Option A/B was the Option that was the one - the - it was the Option that the Ripanis were more in favour of, so I'm thinking that on the 26th, when they came in to discuss the plan that this is the plan that, really, we should have been discussing, because that was the Option they wanted, as opposed to the Option B.
And so can you tell His Honour why there are two plans with your red handwriting on it?--- I would say that in discussions we've realised that we're looking at the wrong plan of Option B and that Option A/B is the plan that the Ripanis were really wanting to refer to. So we've brought that plan in and continued our conversations.
Looking at the western façade on 1919 we see a red arrow and---?--- Yes.
--- red markings. What can you tell His Honour about when you made those marks?--- It would be in the same meeting---
When you say "would"?--- It was in the same meeting, because it's all part of the same conversation. And those markings are basically pinpointing and explaining the mullion breakup of the window openings, the idea of having fixed glazing panels, open - open areas between glazing panels, fixed open - fixed. Then the idea of looking at where the location of those panels are in the location of an - an entry or a access door between the dining area and the barbecue/terrace area.
His Honour: Ms Hart, which plan---?--- Sorry, Option---
--- are you looking at when giving that evidence? Just give me the court book number?---Certainly. Sorry, my apologies. 1919, Option - plan Option B.
And so that is the plan that you say was before the meeting with Mr and Mrs Ripani? In front of you at the meeting I mean?--- Yes, yes, yes.
And are you able to say whether that meeting occurred some time around 8 May, or do you think - or is it your recollection that the meeting was on 26 May, or you can't say?--- I - I can't say for certain.
Yes, all right. Now, if you look at the plan at 1125 [Option A, revision B], which is the plan that has been identified by you is the plan attached to the email---?--- Yes.
--- from Mr Ripani at 1122, in which Mr Ripani says:
Attached is Option A and this is the floor plan we like.
Do you recall that email?--- Yes.
If you then - so if you go to 1125 and compare that plan with the two plans at 1918 and 1919, which of those two plans does the plan at 1125 correspond to?--- Closer to 1918.
Yes. But it's your evidence that the plan before the meeting, whether it was in early May or later in May, is found at 1919, which is Option B; correct?--- Both plans were at the meeting.
Both plans were before the meeting?--- Correct, yes.
I see. So the - why were both plans, can you recall, before the meeting when the email from Mr Ripani opted for or specified that they, the Ripanis, preferred Option A, which is strictly Option A/B that one finds that 1918?--- They - I'm getting confused. The - I'm not 100 percent sure the - I would say that plan 1918 would have been in the meeting of the 26th because it corresponds to Mr Ripani's email. The plan 1919 and was at a meeting, but I can't - I can't give an exact date of when that meeting was. Whether it was in the same meeting of the 26th or in a meeting around - around early May.
102 His Honour posed a further series of questions to Ms Hart, doubtless in an effort to obtain clarity as to what was discussed at the meeting on 26 May 2017. His Honour made it clear that he was troubled by her evidence that Option B was discussed on 26 May, when by that date it had been superseded. Ms Hart failed to give clear evidence in answer to his Honour's questions, and counsel for the appellant resumed her re-examination. Certain questions were objected to, Ms Hart withdrew from the witness box and upon her return the evidence continued as follows (from T 693):
Without speculating, can you tell His Honour what you can remember about the meeting on 26 May and what A3 plans were present at that meeting?--- On 26 May. 26 May - well, I can't recall for certain. I would say it would be 1918.
All right. So I'm going to move to a different topic now.
His Honour: Before you do, when you say you would say it would be 1918, that's the Option A---?--- B.
--- A/B, which was the Option about which Mr Ripani expressed a preference for?--- Yes.
And so you think that that plan was before a meeting on 26 May?--- In line with the - with the email that I sent out on 8 May where that option is being provided to Mr Ripani that that plan existed prior to 26 May meeting.
Yes. And, to the best of your recollection, there was no meeting between 26 May and 10 May, which was the date of Mr Ripanis email to you?--- Yes. To the best of my recollection there wasn't another meeting between those two times.
Yes. And so on 26 May can you recall whether the plan at 1919, which was the Option B plan, marked by you and your hand, was before that meeting. That is, available at the meeting?--- Yes. I can't say for certain, but I would say based on the series of events I would say yes, but I can't be certain.
But the only meeting post 10 May occurred on the 26th?--- Yes.
And I think, I'm right, that you've given evidence that the markings on both of the plans 1918 and 1919 were markings made by you at a meeting?--- Yes.
With the Ripanis?--- Yes.
So it follows, doesn't it, that both of the plans were likely to have been before the meeting on the 26th. That is to say, in front of the meeting. When I say before the meeting, tabled, if you like?--- Yes.
Yes. All right. But you can't recall specifically?--- I can't recall specifically.
103 His Honour then invited counsel for the appellant to state whether she had any further questions arising from that, to which she responded that she did not. There is further evidence as to the content of the discussion on 26 May 2017 as summarised in a subsequent email sent by Ms Hart to Mr Hu and Mr Tran, amongst others, on 5 June 2017 and which attached the Option C floor plan, marked as a draft and dated the same day. In turn, Mr Tran forwarded that plan to the respondents. Ms Hart's covering email reads:
As mentioned earlier, please find attached amended plan for Apt 1401.
Following on our last meeting with Nina and Walter, the plan involves:
• opening up the kitchen into a centrepiece of the dining area.
• a long bench come dining table allows for more intimate gatherings as well
• a buffet for catered parties or simply a preparation bench.
• review of the powder room, laundry, comms and storage areas have also been reviewed.
• review of George's ensuite and WIR. Please note that the robe between ensuite and WIR area would be proposed as a double sided bench draw unit, allowing George to access items from within the bathroom or WIR.
We look forward to any additional comments Nina and Walter might have.
Happy to meet or telephone call to discuss further.
104 The reference to the identity of "George" or his relevance to the case was not explored in the evidence.
105 It is surprising that the primary judge did not make specific findings of fact as to what was discussed at the meeting on 26 May 2017 with the benefit of this evidence. The findings at PJ [199], which are clearly adverse to and must have influenced his Honour's assessment of the demeanour of Ms Hart, ignore the quite plausible evidence given by Ms Hart to the effect that each of Options A and B were tabled and were the subject of discussion at the meeting on 26 May 2017. It does not logically follow from the fact that Mr Ripani stated in his email of 10 May 2017 that the attached Option A "is the floor Plan [w]e like", that Option B could not have been tabled and discussed at the meeting on 26 May 2017. What is clear is that options were developed, altered, exchanged and discussed from 7 April 2017. In that context, that Ms Hart made handwritten annotations on a version of the plan which was not preferred is hardly a matter which attracts the significance that his Honour ascribed to it at PJ [189], more so when his Honour, with respect, failed to notice the explanation for the existence of two versions of the floor plan that were discussed at that meeting which Ms Hart gave in direct answer to his Honour's questions.
106 I turn next to the Option C floor plan dated 5 June 2017. Ms Hart's evidence was that she printed a copy of this floor plan and discussed it at a meeting with the respondents on 9 June 2017. That plan exhibits a number of handwritten annotations in blue, black and red ink:
107 Of those annotations, Ms Hart gave evidence in chief that each was discussed with the respondents during the meeting on 9 June 2017, which date appears on the upper left-hand portion of the plan. She stated that it was her practice to make handwritten annotations on plans in order to reflect the substance of discussions. On the northern end of the western façade the annotation reads: "2 x door, potential stacking to side". To the south of that annotation there appears a series of red markings at the location of doors on the western façade; each placed to indicate the position of the doors with fixed mullions and the direction of the proposed stacking of doors in the open position. Ms Hart explained that the parallel red lines opposite the spa indicate double doors stacking to the south in order to form a central opening. Three door openings are depicted with the widest opening opposite the fireplace.
108 What is objectively clear from the Option C floor plan is that it details the entirety of the proposed door stacking mechanism on the western façade and is drawn to scale. The straight section of the western façade extends for a distance of approximately 11m, commencing at the southern point to the commencement of the curvature at the northern point. That floor plan clearly does not depict the western façade, with open doors, as having the same, or similar, flow-through design that is depicted in the render. By scaling, the maximum opening width is approximately 3.6m.
109 Ms Hart gave the following evidence in chief as to what was discussed with the respondents by reference to the Option C floor plan (from T 513):
So in the - in that meeting, what did you say to the Ripanis and what did they say to you, if anything, about the western façade?… In that - in that meeting, again, we were talking about the openings along that façade where the doors were going to stack, and how large the openings would be between the interior and the exterior.
So when you say "how the doors would stack", would you please use the words that were said in that meeting, to the best of your recollection, and tell his Honour what was said about how the doors would stack, and who said it?--- Yes. We were discussing the size of the openings between the interior and exterior. If I start at the windows or - the façade at the entertainment area. There are two red lines which indicate that we are talking about the - the double doors stacking to the south of the page - of the entertainment area. This then allows for the central opening between the fireplace and the external seating to the pool area.
……
What did you say to the Ripanis?--- That two glazing panels would stack to the left, or to the south, of that entertainment area.
What else did you say?--- This then allows the central - central section, where we've got doors stacking left and right, to actually stack on the fixed pane of glass that is north and south of the fireplace.
So in - that fixed pane of glass. Is that the - is that the one that's just below where it says pool. It is to the right?--- Yes.
And is there any other fixed pane of glass you're referring to?--- No. Not in that instance.
So I see some red marks along the façade, could you tell his Honour---?--- Yes.
--- whether you said anything to the Ripanis in connection with those red marks?--- There's a series of red dots along the western façade within an area that is not displaying any horizontal - graphically representation of window mullions. There's a series of red dots instead. And that is me telling - describing to the Ripanis that this opening is a series of windows - panes that can be opened left and right. That that opening is the equivalent of 1, 2, 3, 4 windowpanes.
And was anything said about the width or measurement of the windowpanes in that meeting, Ms Hart?--- Yes, that each of those mullions - each of those - that mullion breakup, or those windowpanes, is roughly a metre.
Did you say anything to the Ripanis about the way the doors would stack?--- Yes, that the doors would be stacking either left - would be stacking left and right of the main opening.
And so that's the opening you're talking about next to the fireplace; is that right?--- Correct, yes.
And were there any other references or any other things you said about stacking doors in respect of any other areas?--- Yes, yes. Because we've got the main opening, and we have doors stacking left and right, this is the reason why the - a smaller opening between the entertainment area and the spa needs to stack to one side only, to allow for the larger opening to stack left and right, and then also the opening between the dining area and the barbecue area, there is two grey lines, again, side by side indicating that the panel stacks to that - to one side of the opening.
His Honour: So is the position that you can open the doors left and right?--- That they stack---
That when you stack them, they stack, in the case of the large opening, to the left and the right, or to the north and the south; is that right?--- Yes, yes.
Ms Costello: And how many door openings are there between the interior and the exterior along the western façade, Ms Hart?--- Door openings, there's three.
What, if anything, did you say to the Ripanis about the number of door openings along that façade?… That there are three individual openings. There is the opening between the entertainment and the pool, the fireplace and the external seating area, and then an opening between the dining and barbecue area.
And what, if anything, did Walter Ripani or Nina Ripani say to you during that meeting when you explained how these doors worked?--- That the priority is between the main living entertainment area and the pool deck area, and that they want the opening to be as large as it can be.
And who said that, Mr or Mrs the Ripani--- Walter, and supported by Nina.
There is a written notation near the façade, level with the dining table. What does that say, next to the asterisk?--- Yes, that seems to be my shorthand for the word door, and the asterisk says a potential stacking to side.
And what - can you recall why you wrote that?--- Yes, that - because the Ripanis wanted to maximise the opening between the interior and the exterior, and we were trying to optimise how many doors we could get between the dining and the barbecue area.
And what - so that's why you wrote it. What does it mean, "potential stacking to side"?--- That I would need to investigate whether or not we can get two panes of façade breakup, two panes of glass to stack to one side. I would have to investigate.
In relation to the central door near the fireplace, which stacks left and right if you're looking out to the pool terrace?--- Yes.
What, if anything, did you say about the width of that area?--- That main opening, that it is a series - it is a - the width of that opening is a breakup of the one metre mullions, so there - we would be looking at four window mullions so that that opening is roughly four metres.
During the meeting which the conversation happened with reference to the plan, what size was the printed version of the plan that you had at the discussion?--- A3.
And thinking back to the meeting on 9 June, what did you say, if anything, about the door stacking system?--- Did not mention the door stacking system.
And did you say anything about the number of doors that would stack against each other?--- Not specifically.
His Honour: I thought you just indicated, Ms Hart, that she will notation "potential stacking to side" related to whether two doors could stack in one position?--- Yes, in - for that particular - that particular opening.
Yes, and so did you say anything about that to Mr and Mrs Ripani at that meeting on 9 June?--- Yes.
Yes. What did you say?--- That those two panels would need to stack to one side between the dining room and the barbecue area and that the two panels between the entertainment and the pool side would need to stack to one side therefore allowing the greater area to stack north and south, or left and right, of that opening.
Yes, and I thought you said that you needed to investigate whether that was possible? ---Correct, I did.
And did you explain that to Mr and Mrs Ripani?--- Yes.
Yes. Thank you.
Ms Costello: Also, there's red dot down in the master bedroom area and some what looks like black pen marks?---Yes.
Could you tell his Honour what you said about that area during the meeting?---That was a request by Walter and Nina to have access from the master bedroom to the pool spa area.
And what did you say to them about that?--- Yes, that we would look into that being achieved.
And why did you - why did you put the black markings there? What does that signify? ---That signifies that it is not a sliding door, but is a leaf door. There can't be a sliding door because of the curve within the façade.
And what about the two red lines just above that? --- That is an indication of the sliding door stacking to one side and the sliding doors being the access between the entertainment area and the pool deck.
What did you say about that?--- That those two - those two doors would need to slide to one side and the reason being is that allows for a larger opening between the fireplace and the external seating area to stack left and right.
110 Counsel then produced to the witness the Option E floor plan and invited her to compare that plan with the Option C plan.
111 The witness was asked to indicate what differences there were between each plan and her evidence continued (from T 517):
…---We are indicating that - the opening between the entertainment area and the pool deck, that there are sliding doors opening to the left of that - or to the south of the plan. That there's the same opening between the fireplace and the pool deck - entertainment area, with arrows indicating right and left - or north and south - and that there is an opening between the dining room and the barbecue area, with the doors stacking to the south.
Now, you said in evidence that there were words said in the 9 June meeting about the Ripanis wanting - I don't want to misquote you, but it was something about a wide opening in the centre?--- Yes.
Recall in that evidence of yours, has anything changed in respect of the width of the opening on the Option E plan, Ms Hart?--- No.
And before this date - that being 16 June 2017, did you say anything to the Ripanis about any confirmation of their request to have a maximised opening?--- That we can't have - that this is the largest opening that - that I believe that we can achieve, because of the wind loadings against the façade.
And---?--- That it can't be a continual opening.
When did you say that?--- I said that on the 9th of the 6th, I've said that in many - definitely on the 9th of the 6th, when we were discussing the façade.
And I see that - when I look at the Option C plan, there are your handwritten marks, in a vertical direction, next to the dining table, and I see that, on the Option E plan, there are marks in that same area?--- Yes.
Who make the changes to the Option E plan, in that respect, Ms Hart?--- Rothelowman made those changes, on my request.
And who at Rothelowman made those changes?--- Her name is Ellie Kirk; she was an architectural student at the time.
All right. And why were those changes made?--- They were made in response to our meeting on the 9th of the 6th.
And how do you convey instructions to - Ellie, did you say---?--- Yes.
--- about what to change in the plan?--- I go through the comments that were made on the previous plan - that's the plan of the 9th of the 6th 2017 - to ask her to update the documentation to reflect the comments that have been made.
And when you sit down - when you sat down with Ellie to explain the changes you wanted to make to the Option E plan, did you make any annotations to the Option E plan, during your discussions with Ellie?--- No.
Why not?--- Because the Option C plan indicates what it is that I'm requesting her to change. She may have made her own private notes - I don't know - but the notes on the Option C plan, I would verbalise to her - discuss it with her - so that she understands what she needs to update onto the next round of that plan.
Okay. And the lines next to the dining table, but vertical lines on the herringbone area before the façade. What do they signify?--- They signify that there is a panel that is sliding south.
When you say "a panel", does it signify how many panels are sliding south?--- In this instance, it's indicating that there are two panels.
And - you said south. There are two similar pictures. One is near the dining table and one is near the entertainment area opposite the spa. Which ones are going south, and which ones are going north?--- In this instance, the ones between the dining area and the barbecue area are going - they are stacking south, so that they would then - close by moving to the north. And the ones between the entertainment and the pool area, down - adjacent to the - opposite the spa - a word that says "spa" - those panels are also - to open, move south - to - to close, would then move north.
HIS HONOUR: So I can just understand this, if one looks at Option C, at 1928. For the larger opening, adjacent to the fireplace, two doors are going to slide and stack to the north, pretty much adjacent to the dining table. Is that correct?--- They would - yes. Yes, that's what we've indicated in the meeting - those meeting notes.
Yes. And two doors are to slide to the south. And where do they stack?--- The two doors between the entertainment and the pool area.
That's a separate opening?--- Yes.
But just - we've got - are there four doors in the main opening?--- Yes, there are four doors in the main opening.
So two are going to stack to the north---?--- Correct.
--- near the dining table?--- Near- near the living room. So - but - so two doors would stack against the pane of glass which is opposite the word "living room" ---
Yes? --- --- or - and two doors would stack south, just opposite the couch, which is shown in the entertainment area.
And then there's another opening on - to the north, isn't there, near the dining table?--- Correct, yes.
And is that one door that slides open or two?--- That - the discussion was to have two doors.
And they would both slide to the dash and stack to the north?--- Correct. Yes.
Where indicated, pretty much opposite the dining table?--- The table. Yes.
And then finally, there's the third opening near the entertaining area, or adjacent to it, near the spa?--- Yes.
And those two doors would slide and stack to the south?--- Correct. Yes.
And that has been reflected on Option E?--- Yes. The difference being the stacking on Option E is that the doors between the barbecue and the dining - no longer - don't stack north but they stack south.
So the opening, looking at Option E on 1915 - the opening is near, or adjacent to, the dining area, is it?--- Yes.
And the two doors that are indicated are stacking to the south of the opening, are they?--- Yes.
And where on Option E is the stacking of the two doors for the larger opening, adjacent to the living room?--- They're - they - they're only shown on a single pane, but they should be a double stacker.
So there should be two doors shown?--- Two lines. Yes.
As there is - and again, is that also the case in relation to the two doors that open, in respect of the large opening, and stack to the south, pretty much in line with the word entertain?--- Correct, yes.
So - I see. So it - the stacking points should indicate two doors, but indicate only one?--- Correct.
112 The examination of the witness then returned to counsel. A call for production of all original versions of each of the floor plans was made by counsel for the respondents. Ms Hart explained that the documentation could be sent by courier from the Rothelowman offices and it was. Ms Hart was then questioned about this documentation. She explained that she ceased to work on the development project when it moved from the design to the construction phase and at that point handed over all of her documents to one of her colleagues, who at some point had left the employ of Rothelowman. A document that she handed over was a folder, kept in hard copy, specifically relating to apartment 1401. Until approximately two weeks before she gave her evidence, she had assumed that the folder had been lost. During each lockdown period in Melbourne, Ms Hart worked from home, which explained why she had not been able to conduct a physical search of her office for this folder until early February 2021 when she managed to locate it underneath the desk of a work colleague. The folder and each of the original option plans were produced to counsel for the respondents before the commencement of the cross-examination of Ms Hart.
113 Notably, the primary judge did not find this explanation for the late production of the documents to be false.
114 I return to Ms Hart's evidence in chief, which then moved to a meeting on 15 September 2017 with Mr Hu, which followed an earlier meeting that day between Mr Hu and the respondents. Ms Hart explained that Mr Hu conveyed aspects of his earlier discussion with the respondents. For this meeting, Ms Hart made two pages of handwritten notes of matters that were discussed. I reproduce it here:
115 Her notes include: "Sliding doors to open as wide as possible to terrace" about which she gave evidence as follows (from T 525):
And can you tell His Honour what you recollect about anything that was said that led you to make that note, during the meeting with Peter Hu?--- That it was a request by the - a repeated request by the Ripanis, to have the opening, leading from the interior to the terrace, as being as wide as possible.
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Putting yourself back in time - if you can - to 15 September '17, did you have any measurements in mind, when you wrote that note?--- The measurement, in my mind, would be somewhere in the vicinity of four to - three to four metres.
And three to four metres being the status quo, or the width - the widest possible---?--- The width as wide as possible.
116 Pausing there, the primary judge at PJ [190] critically exampled this note as not assisting the evidence of Ms Hart. In doing so, with respect, his Honour plainly misunderstood it to be a note made at a meeting with the respondents. His Honour said:
… To take one example, among Ms Hart's discovered notes was a file note of the meeting on 15 September 2017, during which she apparently explained certain matters to the Ripanis by reference to a three-dimensional hand drawing. This is an unsurprising aid, or technique, for an architect to use in explaining features of a two-dimensional plan to lay people. However, it is, on the other hand, worth noting that Ms Hart did not produce any such sketch in connection with what she claims to have said to the Ripanis about the opening onto the terrace and the inaccuracy of the render. Instead, she gave evidence that certain dots and marking she placed on the relevant floor plans were made in the course of explaining how the doors on the western façade would open.
117 Then at PJ [191] his Honour reasoned that this failure "is very significant". Not only did his Honour, with respect, err in understanding when the note was made and which discussion it recorded, he clearly erroneously reasoned from that premise to the effect that the ability of Ms Hart to produce a three-dimensional hand drawing during one meeting with the respondents, counted against acceptance of her evidence as to what was said at the meeting on 9 June 2017 where no such drawing was made by her by way of illustration of the doorway opening to the western façade.
118 Ms Hart also gave evidence that at the meeting on 15 September 2017 she made handwritten annotations on a paper copy of the Option E floor plan which is printed with the revision date 16 June 2017:
119 Ms Hart was questioned about the handwritten annotations on this plan which, though difficult to read at the scale reproduced in this judgment, are legible on the A3 print copy. Ms Hart said that the majority of the notes in red were written by her. She was able to say with confidence that her notations on this document were made on 15 September 2017 during her meeting with Mr Hu because she recorded that date on the top right hand corner of the plan. When questioned more closely as to the provenance of this document, she stated that it was brought to the meeting by Mr Hu who told her that the blue annotations "were formed through his discussions" with the respondents. One note in blue at the point of the sliding doors opposite the fireplace clearly reads: "sliding doors to be opened as much as possible."
120 On 21 September 2017, Ms Hart emailed Mr Hu, noted her intention to meet with the respondents the following day and summarised a large number of the matters that she had discussed with Mr Hu on 15 September 2017. Her list divides items to be provided at the cost of the purchaser from the "standard inclusions". Under the heading "additional notes", she records that the ceiling heights in the living areas were to be the maximum achievable height, possibly 2700mm and next follows the note "sliding doors to terrace to be maximum opening width possible".
121 Ms Hart next gave evidence of her meeting with the respondents on 22 September 2017. They discussed a fixtures and fittings schedule and Ms Hart made handwritten notes of that meeting on a document described as a purchaser upgrade spreadsheet. The note records the purchaser request to "maximise clear opening to balcony". That document evolved over time, but consistently maintained the note that for windows to the living/dining/bar area: "powder coated aluminium framed sliding door opening to balconies and terraces. Purchaser request: maximise clear opening to balcony".
122 It is important to understand that the evidence of Ms Hart as to what she discussed in detail with the respondents on 9 June 2017 by reference to the Option C floor plan emerged at a relatively late point in the proceeding. A procedural direction was made for the filing and service of witness outlines. In a document dated 23 October 2020, it was said that Ms Hart would give evidence "to the following effect". The document then sequentially dealt with background matters, the development of the floor plan for apartment 1401, the relevant email exchanges between Ms Hart and the respondents and the briefest of explanations was offered as to the content of each of the floor plans. Although that document referenced the fact that there were meetings on 26 May and 9 June 2017, the content of the discussion at those meetings was not identified. On 20 November 2020, there was filed and served a brief reply witness outline of evidence to be given by Ms Hart. In response to outlines of evidence for the respondents, to the effect that it was not until June or July 2018 that Rothelowman revealed "for the first time" that the western façade could not be constructed as represented in the render the reply paragraph of Ms Hart provided:
Ms Hart recalls discussing with the Ripanis their desire to maximise ceiling heights. Ms Hart recalls saying words to the effect that RotheLowman would try to maintain the maximum ceiling height where they could. It was not revealed to the Ripanis for the first time in June 2018 that there would be more than one doorway or opening from the interior to the exterior of apartment 1401. As set out above, the Option E floor plan showed several openings from the interior to the exterior.
123 That the respondents were clearly told by Ms Hart that the opening on the western façade as depicted on the render could not be achieved was not the subject of a specific pleading in the defence of the appellant. Nor was this fact mentioned in the opening address made by senior counsel for the appellant at the trial. And it was not a matter that was distinctly and clearly put to Mr or Mrs Ripani in cross-examination by reference to the annotated floor plans, though it was generally put in the following series of questions. In the evidence of Mrs Ripani, the exchange was as follows (from T 370):
…during the meetings with Kate Hart - the ones on 7 April and there was one just before you left to go overseas in June and there were meetings in between those times, these are meetings at which you say you brought your brochure to them. During those meetings, the evidence of Ms Hart will be that during more than one of those meetings she, by reference to the printed A3 plans, indicated to you where on the plan the doors would be located between the interior and the exterior. What do you say to that?--- No, she did not.
And the evidence of Ms Hart will be that she pointed out with reference to the printed A3 plans that she brought to meetings with you in April, May and June that there were three openings between the interior and the - I'm talking now not about the dining room but about the area that runs between the pool terrace and the interior on the left of the picture. Her evidence will be that she showed you that there were three openings between the living area and the pool terrace. What do you say to that?--- That's not correct. And if Ms - if she had ever pointed that out, this floor plan would never have been satisfactory.
And the evidence of Ms Hart will be that the change between the plan on 1140, which doesn't show a stacking system, and the plan on 1915, which does show that stacking system, was - well, will be that the door system needed to work in a way that sliding doors did not smack into each other, rather they opened away from each other. And her evidence will be that that's why the two stacking door systems were used and shown on the option the plan. What you say to that?--- She did not say that.
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Ms Hart's evidence will be that while she did not say to you that the doors between the interior and the exterior were of a particular metreage, width, she did say - she did point out to you, with reference to the A3 printed plans showing Option - showing the various options of the apartment - where the multiple openings between the interior and the exterior were. What you say to that?--- No, she did not.
And she will also say that in her discussions with you she would describe the opening - the glass opening areas between the interior and the exterior by reference to numbers of panes of glass. What you say to that?--- I would be very surprised if she said that.
So, Mrs the Ripanis, I put to you that you did - that it was explained to you by Ms Hart that there were three openings between the interior and the exterior, running along the left of the building façade, before you said you were satisfied with the floor plan. What you say to that?--- That's totally incorrect.
124 At that point, the cross-examination of Mrs Ripani concluded. Mr Ripani in evidence in chief (T 396) and in answer to the leading question as to whether there was any discussion during the June 2017 meeting about the "type of opening between the interior and the terrace exterior" answered: "No, there was not". Later he was cross-examined as follows, having first established that (to his then observation) the approved Option E floor plan depicts more than one opening between the interior and the exterior (from T 453):
And you weren't obliged to pay - or you weren't obliged to be in a binding contract until you are satisfied with the floor plan; that's right, isn't it?--- That's correct, Ms Costello.
And this was the final floor plan that you are satisfied with, wasn't it?--- Yes, it was. Yes.
I suggest to you, Mr Ripani, that when you are satisfied with the floor plan in June 2016 - June 2017 you were at that time aware that there was more than one opening between the interior and exterior near the pool?--- I disagree.
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Ms Hart's evidence will be that she explained the door changes on the floor plans that I've taken you to today to you during her meetings with you in May and June 2017?--- She did not, Ms Costello.
His Honour: Ms Costello, could you just be specific about what Ms Hart's evidence will be concerning the changes - in particular, what she will say were the nature of the changes.
Ms Costello: Ms Hart's evidence will be that she discussed with you moving one of the openings to be centred near the fireplace; what do you say to that?--- No, she did not.
Ms Hart's evidence will be that she told you about how the sets of sliding doors opened - that being doors, plural - between the interior and exterior; what do you say to that?--- The doors were never discussed, Ms Costello.
And Ms Hart will say that she, by reference to printed A3 plans, showed you on the plan with the doors were; what do you say to that?--- She did not, Ms Costello.
125 Thus, although the specific evidence that Ms Hart gave as to what was discussed with the respondents in May and June 2017 was not detailed in either outline of her intended evidence, the substance of her evidence was at least fairly put to the respondents in cross-examination. As might be expected, these matters were the subject of an extensive cross-examination of Ms Hart by senior counsel for the respondents. Ms Hart was questioned as to her recent location of the folder of annotated plans for apartment 1401, but her account was not undermined. She confirmed that she did not have any contemporaneous notes "about what passed between you and the Ripanis" at any of the meetings in May or June 2017. She was asked why there was any reason for not keeping notes of meetings to which she replied (T 565):
… ---The notation that I have for within the meetings with the Ripanis is notation as to their requests for the bespoke nature of the internal fit-out of their apartment. I don't have my written notes in relation to the door openings and widths of openings, apart from what isn't shown on the marketing plans.
126 When pressed further as to why she did not keep more detailed notes of her meetings she answered "I don't know" and when invited to explain why, stated that she did not have an explanation. Ms Hart confirmed that she was aware that the render was misleading during each of her meetings with the respondents. Counsel then turned to the meeting of 26 May 2017 (from T 568):
You don't have any recollection of how if the topic of separation came up, how it came up from any of the things that you were there to discuss?--- No.
If you had had that discussion with the Ripanis you would have been well aware that you were dealing with dynamite, wouldn't you?--- Yes.
And if you are having that discussion with the Ripanis knowing what you clearly did know about the misleading nature of the render of this apartment---?--- Yes.
--- You would have made a note?--- No.
What possible reason could you have, Ms Hart, for not making a note of that discussion with the Ripanis?--- Because I know that it - I know the - that - I - I know that there's the nature of the separation between - for that façade and was not willing to put it down in writing.
I beg your pardon? You were not willing to put down in writing what you knew about the difference between---?--- The - the ---
--- The render and the actual conduct of the façade?--- And - and the actual façade.
Why were you not prepared to put that down in writing?--- I - I discussed it. I sent a---
No, no, Ms Hart?--- But I - but---
Why were you not prepared to put that down in writing?--- Because it was a - a - from my understanding, a delicate issue between the developer and the - and the renders.
Do I understand from that answer that you understood that the respondent did not want you telling people about the difference between the renders and what they were going to get?--- It was my understanding.
His Honour: No, Ms Hart, perhaps the question needs to be reformulated, but what you're being asked is whether you were told by anyone that the developer - the respondent did not want you to raise the subject matter?--- I wasn't told to directly, no.
Mr Stuckey: What caused you to form that belief if you were not told it directly?--- The fact that we had identified the issue to the developer early on in relation to receiving the white cards and the early renders that were provided, but there was no - no movement of course to actually produce those marketing renders and to market them as such.
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Now, Ms Hart, can I just explore the explanation you've given. Regardless of whether work was well-founded or not, your belief in May 2017 was that the respondent did not want you to tell customers - particularly, presumably the Ripanis - about the inaccurate nature of the render?--- Yes.
And the reason you were not prepared to make an internal note in your file at Rothelowman was because if you did tell somebody about the truth there might be some consequences for yourself?--- Yes.
So you say you told the Ripanis the truth?--- Yes.
Regardless of the consequences for yourself?--- Yes.
But without taking a note of it?--- Yes.
I suggest to you the reason behind that is so that if somebody asked you subsequently whether you had told the truth you could deny it?--- No.
What other reason is there for not making a note of telling them the truth?--- I didn't see there being a - because I - I knew the truth. So there was no necessity for me to - that was my thinking at the time - was for me to document that. So I - so I - I do have notes to say when describing to the Ripanis their ceiling height; I do have notation of that. I do have notation of emailing them the section through the building to show them the hobb and the ceiling heights within the building. So I do have that as written evidence.
Yes?--- But in describing those conversations, I didn't take notes at the time of what I was describing and speaking to the Ripanis about.
As I understand your evidence, that was quite deliberate?--- At - at the - at the time, yes.
And that was so there would be no written record of what you had told them?--- Yes.
And that would be - the only reason for that, I suggest to you, would be if somebody tasked you afterwards with the fact that you had told them the truth you could deny it?--- I - well, I - I - no.
What other reason could there be for telling them the truth and deliberately not making a note of it? What other reason is there?--- I - I don't know. But when being asked if I told them the truth, I can say yes.
But you can't remember when?--- No.
127 Ms Hart then gave evidence to the effect that she had discussed the location and size of the openings of the doors with the respondents prior to May 2017, but was unable to say when. She confirmed her understanding that by mid-June 2017, the respondents must have clearly understood that the opening as depicted in the render would not be constructed for the reason that she had explained to them that the image shown in the render was "impossible" to construct. She confirmed that she stated this to the respondents in either May or early June 2017. She also confirmed her understanding that the effect of her evidence was that the respondents would not be able to claim that they relied upon the render and that her evidence would provide a defence open to be relied upon by the appellant. When questioned further, she stated that she had informed Mr Hu of the substance of her discussions with the respondents. She was taken to each outline statement of her intended evidence, confirmed that neither made specific reference to a discussion with the respondents in June 2017, but insisted that she had given this information to the lawyers for the appellant prior to the preparation of each outline. She was next taken to the statements made by the respondents in each of their outline of evidence documents to the effect that it was not until June 2018 that they were first advised that there would be one or more doorways constructed at the relevant point on the western façade. She acknowledged that even though, in her view, that statement was incorrect, it was not directly rebutted in her reply witness outline. When challenged as to why, on her evidence, the question of the width of the door openings was discussed in May and June 2017, she denied that it was "very unusual to have exactly the same conversation at two separate meetings". She denied that her evidence was a reconstruction, based on her examination of the contemporaneous documents. When pressed as to "what possible explanation" there could be for having had two discussions to the same effect with the respondents she answered (from T 599):
… ---It came up in discussion.
How did it come up in discussion? You went there to talk about fixtures and fittings?--- Not just fixtures and fittings. We were discussing the apartment, the apartment planning and the - the traversing between the interior and the exterior. It was part of the discussion.
But the fact that these mullions are a metre wide - that's just a fact, isn't it?--- Yes. They're roughly around a metre wide.
Yes, and you told them that?--- Yes.
So why would you need to tell them again?--- Because it came up in discussion - in our conversation.
How did it come up in conversation?--- I don't recall.
128 Next followed a series of questions to the effect that Ms Hart had told the respondents at the May 2017 meeting that there would be three openings in the western façade. When directly asked why she told them "exactly the same thing" at the subsequent meeting she answered "I don't know".
129 It was not directly put to Ms Hart in cross-examination that her evidence as to what was discussed in the meeting with the respondents on 9 June 2017 was false, nor that her annotated Option C plan was not a genuine document that was discussed at the meeting. Rather, the cross-examination focused upon why Ms Hart did not confirm her advice in writing; the fact that her outline of witness statements did not mention the advice conveyed at the meeting; the apparent improbability of providing the same advice more than once; and the silence of the witness, in the face of later claims by the respondents that they were misled. Put at its highest, counsel challenged Ms Hart's evidence on the basis that it was a reconstruction, which she denied. The cross-examination as to these matters was a little disjointed for the reason that it commenced on 19 February 2021 and did not resume until 24 March 2021, which was the next available hearing date. Relevantly, I set out the following evidence as to these matters (from T 570):
As at the time you say you told the Ripanis the truth in May of - well, May or thereabouts, maybe - maybe it was June - 2017 your expectation must have been that they would go off like a rocket when they found out they were not going to get the remarkable-looking open terrace?--- No.
You did not expect that?--- No, based on our previous conversations.
Now, what conversations are you saying you had had prior to telling them the truth about the terrace?--- The conversations about the location and the size of the openings of the doors between the interior and the exterior.
All right. Now, I've taken you through with some care - there was no discussion at your first meeting on 7 April, that you can recall, or even if it was on the 6th , as you've noted. You've given them the plans on the 26th, and they've responded, and you've given them further plans on 8 May, and there has been a meeting arranged and it has happened on 26 May. Now, are you saying by 26 May you had had conversations with them explaining the location of the doorways?--- Yes, I believe so. Yes.
Right. When was that meeting?--- I can't recall off the top of my head when that meeting was.
Did you have any reason for not keeping any notes of that meeting?--- No.
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Your evidence is that by mid-June 2017 the Ripanis must have clearly understood that they were not getting a large opening?--- Yes.
And your evidence is that you told them they were getting much smaller openings and you had shown them where they were?--- Yes.
Do you agree with me that you never mentioned that in writing to them at any time - that they were getting doorways in particular locations?--- Yes.
You never mentioned it to them in writing at any time that you had made it clear to them that the render image was impossible?--- Yes.
Even when they wrote to you subsequently and said, "Here is the render image that we were told we would get," you did not write back to them and say, "I told you you're not getting it"?--- I did not write back to them.
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In your evidence you've said you recalled the Ripanis saying that they wanted a large opening?--- Yes.
They wanted to have a connection between the interior and the exterior, and that was why they had been drawn to that particular development?--- Yes.
There's no doubt that that's what they wanted?--- Yes.
You say when you told them the truth that that was just impossible---?--- Yes.
--- They were disappointed?--- Yes.
All right. Do you say you had told them it was impossible to have any wider opening than you had provided for?--- Yes.
And do you say you told them that in May or early June of 2017?--- Yes
And I think you've said in evidence-in-chief that you regard the main opening in the middle as being in the order of up to three to four metres wide?--- Yes.
130 Shortly thereafter, the trial was adjourned. Ms Hart returned to the witness box on 24 March 2021, and in the first series of questions affirmed the evidence that she had given in chief. She confirmed that she did not wish to alter any of that evidence. She accepted that there were "three central things" that were communicated during the meeting with the respondents on 9 June 2017: that she told the respondents there would be a wall with doors in it; they in turn requested that the opening be maximised and in response Ms Hart stated that the maximum opening that could be achieved would be in the order of 3m to 4m. Ms Hart agreed that these three items were not referenced in either of her witness outlines. She said that she had advised the appellant's lawyers of this conversation before her witness outlines were prepared. Her explanation was that she failed to notice these omissions "at the time". Her attention was then drawn to a paragraph in her reply witness outline which stated in part:
It was not revealed to the Ripanis for the first time in June 2018 that there would be more than one doorway or opening from the interior to the exterior of apartment 1401. As set out above, the Option E floor plan showed several openings from the interior to the exterior.
131 The cross-examination continued (from T 588):
So you're saying they are wrong about that?--- Yes.
But you do not - the statement does [not] make any reference, then, to a conversation with them, does it?--- No.
It just says:
The option for the floorplan (sic) showed several openings from the interior to the exterior.
?--- Yes.
You accept that is a very different thing from telling them expressly, "There will be a wall with a series of little openings in it. The maximum opening you can have is three to four metres, and your expressed desire to have a wider opening is just not possible." That is a very different thing, isn't it?--- No.
It's not in your mind. All right. So you had - did you have discussions with the respondent's lawyers about the conversations you had with the Ripanis again at the time you settled this reply which, for your assistance, is dated 20 November 2020?--- Yes.
132 Later, the cross-examiner returned to the topic of why Ms Hart apparently had two discussions to the same effect with the respondents, one in May and the other in June 2017 which evidence I have set out above.
133 It is pertinent to observe that, on one view of it, this cross-examination simply reinforced the evidence given by Ms Hart in chief as to what she told the respondents and when she told them. The fact that there was a discussion on the same topic, more than once and in successive meetings, is not improbable once it is understood that the respondents spent a considerable amount of time in reviewing, requiring amendments to be made to and ultimately approving the detail of the floor plan for their apartment. Apart from directly putting the proposition that her evidence was a reconstruction, it was not put to Ms Hart that her evidence was fabricated. Nor was there any interrogation as to the detail of the annotations that she said she contemporaneously made on the hard copy of the Option C plan during the meeting on 9 June 2017.
134 Counsel then moved to the email dated 23 June 2017, sent by Ms Hart to Mr Hu and copied to others representatives of the appellant and the design architect which I have set out above and in which Ms Hart said it was "extremely important" purchasers be made aware of the opening that can be achieved.
135 The cross-examination then continued (from T 609):
And you sent that to him because you were very aware of the fact that people were likely to be misled by the marketing renders?--- Yes.
And I suggest to you the reason you wrote that to him at that time is because you realised that it was very likely that the Ripanis were in fact being misled by the marketing renders?--- Yes.
136 The witness was then taken to the proposed construction drawings, which depict two relevant openings and confirmed that those drawings were "[n]othing like what you depicted in Option E". Further, she confirmed that it was not at least until June 2019 that she sent Option E to the design team for incorporation with the construction drawings. She also confirmed that construction had proceeded, at least until June 2019, without "any attempt" to incorporate Option E.
137 On 9 October 2018, Mr Hu emailed the respondents and advised them that the opening would be a maximum of 6.4m. Later, on 3 June 2019, they received written advice that the maximum achievable opening was 3.4m. On 13 June 2019, the respondents sent an email to Ms Hart. It reads:
Hi Kate…
Haven't heard back from you regarding a meeting for our apartment.. To be honest, we are very concerned with this situation.
We purchased a very high end apartment with nearly a 10M price tag. An apartment with a huge outdoor space which is what sold us in the first place. We were given a brochure and shown what our apartment would look like.. this is the reason we committed to this project.
However, we feel that we have been misled and we keep having to compromise on what we were promised.
Firstly we couldn't get a straight answer as to the ceiling heights. The heights are not what we were shown and especially in the wet areas, they are really low… not what you would expect in an apartment of this calibre.. Anyway, reluctantly we moved on as long as the ceiling height did not drop in the living areas in any spots and that the ceilings would be pushed to the optimum heights.
Now we have the issue of the doors to the balcony which we chased for ages to get clarification.
If you refer to the image we were given, the doors open basically the whole way in the living area and there is no step down to the balcony. We finally got clarification that the opening would be 6.4 metres.. this is not what the drawing showed but we again compromised to what we thought was still a decent opening and one we could live with…
Now we have gone from 6.4 to 3.4… an opening in our opinion which is totally unacceptable for us… this is a compromise we will not make.. that opening between the inside and outside areas is why we committed to this apartment.. it is the only reason.
On top of that we were never told that we would have to step down onto the balcony… that totally changes the aesthetics of what we want.
We understand that things change during designing and building but this is nothing like what we were promised. With all due respect, this building was designed by architects and I am sure things like wind and rain would have been taken into consideration.
To be clear from our point of view, we want to achieve the look that we were sold, if that is not possible then we cannot go ahead with this.
We are hoping that between all parties, this can be worked out. There must be a solution to achieve the results that we want.. after all it's what we bought and it's what we expect to be delivered.
We def didn't pay 10M to have a 3 metre opening to a balcony that we have to step down on to..
Please let us know where we go from here…
138 To that email, Ms Hart responded on the same day as follows:
Hello Nina,
I completely understand your frustration and concerns.
We are meeting with the JD group and the builder to address the points you've raised for clarification and resolution.
We would like to arrange a meeting with you and Walter at our office next Wednesday to discuss the apartment with us, JD group and the builder, Hickory group.
Please let me know if Wednesday suits you and what time.
Kind regards,
Kate
139 Cross-examining counsel directly put to Ms Hart that upon reading that email, she must have thought that it contained several inaccurate statements by the respondents in the following series of questions (from T 666):
…Mrs Ripani should have known, if your evidence is correct, that you would realise that that was inaccurate?--- Yes.
Because she was putting to you a state of affairs that was not true---?--- Yes.
--- and that you would know was not true?--- Yes.
And you would both know that that was not true?--- Yes. Yes.
So that would be quite an insulting and offensive thing to do, wouldn't it?--- Yes.
Do you recall what your response was?--- No.
140 Counsel then directed her attention to the response and continued:
That is not the response, I suggest to you, of somebody who had just been - had a false state of affairs put to them by a client or a customer?--- No. I disagree.
I see. Why? Why are you saying you completely understand her frustration and concerns when you - on your view, you both know that they are false?--- Because I can see the render and I can see the mark - the design plan, and I know that the - the marketing render is what in their heart they wanted and not what is being able to be provided. So in that I understand their frustrations and their concerns.
I see. And you don't in there, in any way, suggest that their frustrations and concerns are inappropriate or misguided, do you?--- No.
You do not in that suggest in any way that you had made quite clear before they entered into the contract - or before the middle of June 2017 that there was no basis for them to expect any of those things, they would not get them?--- No.
There was a meeting that was, in fact, held in late June between the developer and the builder in yourselves and the Ripanis; correct?--- Yes.
…
You didn't, in that meeting, tell anyone about the fact that, as you now say, you had a conversation with the Ripanis on at least two occasions when you explained to them that there would be a glass wall with doorways set in it and a maximum of a three to four-metre opening?--- I can't recall the exact conversations, but that would have come in conversation. I---
Well, let's leave aside what would have happened. You don't recall saying anything of that sort, do you?--- Yes, I do.
You do?--- Yes.
What did you say?--- I can't recall the exact words, but words to the effect that - pointing out where the openings were within the façade as per - the drawings of what we had been discussing.
So just- so we're clear, your evidence to his Honour is---?--- Yes.
--- you specifically recall that during the meeting attended by the builder, the developer and the Ripanis---?--- Yes.
--- and yourself---?--- Yes.
--- you said to the meeting that you had explained to the Ripanis there would be a wall with doorways in it at these particular places?--- Yes.
Everyone would have heard that?--- I believe so, yes.
Mr Hu was there, wasn't he?--- Yes.
So he would have heard that?--- Yes.
Mr De Mooy was there; he would have heard that?--- Yes.
Okay. And the Ripanis would have heard that?--- Yes.
141 When Mr Hu gave evidence, he could not recall a discussion at the meeting of 9 June 2017 about the width of the proposed door openings on the western façade. He stated that at a meeting with the respondents on 15 September 2017, he had with him the Option E floor plan dated 16 June 2017. He noted on that plan a request made by the respondents that "sliding door to be opened as much as possible" on the western façade. He stated that their requirement was for "the maximum access to terrace". His attention was drawn to an estimate prepared by WT Partnership, a quantity surveying firm, which priced the opening at an estimated length of 12m. He confirmed his understanding at the meeting was that the opening would be 12m.
142 As to what Ms Hart said to Mr De Mooy (an employee of the appointed builder), her evidence was inconsistent. At one point in her cross-examination she stated that in June 2019 she informed Mr De Mooy that she had earlier explained to the respondents in 2017 that construction of the external doors as depicted in the render would not be possible. But when pressed as to the detail of what was discussed and when, she stated that she could not recall having a discussion to that effect. Moreover, when that was put to Mr De Mooy, he could not recall a discussion to that effect with Ms Hart.