5.4 Response from Mr Bevan
98 Mr Bevan responds to contentions raised by Dr Gilmore by affidavit sworn on 24 April 2012. First, Mr Bevan takes issue with the manner in Dr Gilmore broke down the claims, noting that because claims were broken down into so many integers, some of the integers did not make any sense when considered by themselves.
99 Nevertheless, for clarity he responds to Dr Gilmore's comments using the same breakdown. However, in the ultimate presentation of the evidence, his response was confined to the comment in relation to Dr Gilmore's comments on the presence of the integers in the Turner & Scott Patent.
100 In relation to claim 1, while he agrees with the first six observations by Dr Gilmore, in relation to Dr Gilmore's integer G (which was 'One wall extending from at least adjacent the longitudinal recess on each side of the louvre end clip to adjacent the base portion'), he observes that on Dr Gilmore's construction, the way the integer is worded in the claim means that the wall must go beside the glass to beside the base portion. Mr Bevan finds no reference to that in any of the patents or any of the drawings. He could not apply that description as framed in the claim and find the wall in the Turner & Scott Patent.
101 Similarly, in relation to integer H (which was 'And at least one internal drainage chamber'), again, Mr Bevan observes that there is no drainage chamber in the Turner & Scott Patent. There is no reference to internal drainage chambers and no reference to the clips draining. It is clear from the illustrations, he says, that there are chambers but in his view these do not have the function of draining water.
102 In relation to integer I ('Which allows water to drain through the end clip') and integer J ('When the end clip is in the closed position'), the same observations apply as in Mr Bevan's view, the Turner & Scott Patent does not disclose a product which drains water.
103 In relation to integer K ('Wherein when multiple louvre end clips are provided in a louvre window system and the louvres are closed') and integer L ('The respective side walls of adjacent louvre end clips align to form a substantially continuous side wall'), Mr Bevan observes that those integers should be considered together and there is no substantially continuous side wall in the Turner & Scott Patent.
104 In relation to claim 2 and the Turner & Scott Patent, Mr Bevan says that he does not think that all of the integers of the first claim are present. Apart from that, he agrees with Dr Gilmore in respect of the remaining integers.
105 Although Mr Bevan changed his mind with respect to Dr Gilmore's findings concerning the Turner & Scott Patent in relation to claims 4 and 5, there are no new issues raised in the remaining claims. There were some remaining aspects of disagreement with Dr Gilmore concerning the first Gilmore report. These pertained, in particular, to the opinions of Dr Gilmore on certain terms in the claims of the Patent.
106 Some such issues which were not ventilated in the first affidavit of Mr Bevan included the following.
107 The term 'one wall' was unclear in Dr Gilmore's view and he was unable to understand it. Mr Bevan disagreed with that observation, expressing the view that the term is clear. As to the meaning of the term 'internal drainage chamber', Dr Gilmore had opined that it meant 'any chamber which is internal to the end clip, and which allows water to draw or travel through the chamber, and therefore through the end clip'. Mr Bevan agreed with that definition. In relation to the expression 'drain through', Dr Gilmore commented that it meant 'water enters the clip through any surface, leaves the clip gradually through another surface, when the louvre end clip is in the closed position'. However Mr Bevan disagreed that 'drain through' must mean that it enters through a surface. It must enter through a hole, cavity or opening but it does not enter through a surface. A surface, in Mr Bevan's view, is a term used for a continuous piece. As to the expression 'substantially continuous side wall', Dr Gilmore said:
The enclosing boundary surfaces of adjacent louvre end clips align when the louvres are rotated to largely close off any airflow through louvre system, so as to actually or effectively form a continuous upright structure. The individual parts in each louvre end clip come together to form a structure which acts as in practice as a continuous side wall down the side of a bank of louvres.
Although Mr Bevan generally agreed with that statement, he noted that Dr Gilmore limits the definition to airflow. Mr Bevan considers that it is not necessarily continuous just because it stops airflow. To the extent that would be a restriction, he disagrees.
108 Finally, in relation to discussion of specific terms, in relation to 'shroud portion', Dr Gilmore said:
A part of a louvre end clip on the side of a recess which holds the louvre blade, which is formed or designed so as to act as a cover on a part of the adjacent end clip. One shroud part of one end clip, covers a part of the adjacent end clip, when the louvres are rotated to largely close of any airflow through the louvre system.
Although Mr Bevan believed that that definition was basically the same as his definition, again, he noted that Dr Gilmore discussed airflow. Mr Bevan did not consider a definition should be linked to something as specific as airflow, particularly in the context of the reference to weather proofing in the Patent. In his view, a shroud is a cover and does not need to restrict airflow.
109 Whereas Dr Gilmore had used the example of slipping paper between the joins and the two circles abutting, Mr Bevan was of the view that those examples were not helpful as they are not consistent with the dictionary definition of 'shroud'. In that context, Dr Gilmore had stated that the 'interface between [two clips] is an abutment of adjacent surfaces, and not a shroud'. Dr Gilmore had observed that 'two circular components come together and abut, forming a seal, but a shroud is not created as no part of the adjacent circle is concealed'. Mr Bevan's view, however, was that two things can abut and still form a shroud so long as something is concealed from at least one perspective. If two surfaces are abutted, one surface could be hidden from view thus satisfying the definitions of the term in the Macquarie and Oxford dictionaries. Again, in relation to the Dr Gilmore's second report, Mr Bevan emphasised that airflow had nothing to do with a shroud. An umbrella, for example, is a shroud but it does not stop airflow; it diverts rain.